IRC log of wot-td on 2024-05-30

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12:57:33 [kaz]
meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann
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present+ Michael_Koster
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_29_and_30_2024
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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regrets+ Ege
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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topic: Agenda
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mjk: (quickly skims the agenda)
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... Thursday: Registry, Binding Mechanism Refactoring, TD Project/Backlog
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kaz: we have 6 attendees today. if everybody is OK with those items, we can talk about them
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scribenick: dape
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i/quickly/scribenick: kaz/
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TOPIC: Agenda Review
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s/TOPIC: Agenda Review//
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q+
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TOPIC: Binding Templates
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SUBTOPIC: Note published
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Kaz: Note was published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/NOTE-wot-binding-templates-20240528/
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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/NOTE-wot-binding-templates-20240528/ may 28 Note
13:15:31 [kaz]
s/may/May
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q+
13:15:52 [dape]
MK: Just an announcement
13:15:55 [mjk]
q?
13:16:16 [dape]
Kaz: Last minute updates should be applied to master branch also
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... I think Ege worked on a PR already
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MK: There will be no specific document anymore.. becoming part of TD
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... might be last binding templates document published
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q-
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Kaz: part of refactoring
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SUBTOPIC: Registry
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MK: Analysis Work is documented at https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md
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... we reviewed this document already in the past
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... we had discussion on PR, see https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1183
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MK: we will track spec version
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... revision numbers will be updated to make clear what version works with which binding etc
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... bindings should be unique
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... w.r.t. rules of a registry
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q+
13:22:53 [dape]
... we have an initial list of protocols already
13:23:05 [dape]
... essential what we have already now
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s/essential/essentially
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MK: submission mechanism
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... could also be multiple registries
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q?
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Kaz: We have been doing good discussions
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... good timing to think about concrete template
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... e.g., about CoAP or MQTT
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... what to be described withing the registry
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... similar to what we have for use-case template
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MK: Okay
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... template makes sense
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... shall we have another section in the registry-analysis/Readme.md document
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Kaz: Yes
13:27:06 [dape]
... might think about another format (other than Markdown) also
13:28:10 [dape]
<MK editing the document introducing a *new* section "Registry Template" right before appendix>
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s/might/maybe we can generate a separate MD file to describe necessary features of each registry entry. also might/
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s/) also/) too/
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q?
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q-
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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q+
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ack jk
13:30:33 [dape]
JR: Should we work on the template asynchronously
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s/asynchronously/asynchronously?
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MK: What can we do in the meeting vs. asynchronously
13:33:28 [cris]
q+
13:33:48 [dape]
... shall we say more in the current editing or work on it later
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CA: top level file for introduction? or submission file?
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MK: Yes, a submission template
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CA: should they be the same?
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... what about maintainer and context around protocol
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MK: That makes sense
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q+
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MK: Currently we have an HTML file
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CA: plus context file and JSON schema file
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... JSON schema could be optional
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... but good to have for validation purposes
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MK: Yes, some files might be optional
13:37:30 [luca_barbato]
q+
13:37:39 [dape]
... there are also ontology files (ttl, JSON-LD)
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q?
13:37:51 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:38:05 [kaz]
chair: Koster
13:38:13 [dape]
LB: context vs ontology file.. isn't it the same?
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MK: ontology file for me are separate ontology files
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ack luca_barbato
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ack c
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CA: Could be separated .. even though it is very tight
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q+
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MK: we can merge the 2 items one bullet list item
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q?
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q?
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MK: Kaz mentioned YAML file?
13:40:20 [luca_barbato]
q+
13:40:29 [dape]
Kaz: Just to get initial input to generate Markdown
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... don't need to dive into details now
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Kaz: context vs. ontology
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... question of structure
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... multiple ontology files like parent ontology et cetera
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s/context vs/regarding the question on context vs/
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MK: We need to think about structure and organization
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s/question of s/it's rather a question of the s/
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... some consistent pattern for the artifacts
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s/parent ontology/parent ontology and children onotlogies/
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q?
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ack k
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ack luca_barbato
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LB: YAML template can be used in GitHub
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q+
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... functionality for PullRequests
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q?
13:44:50 [dape]
... workflow for creating issue and linking PR
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... can be streamlined
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q?
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ack j
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JR: could have template repository
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... helps people to create own binding
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MK: Yeah
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... kind of a blank version
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LB: Link-ML could offer template generation
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MK: I see, more a repository template
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... a repository for each binding
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q?
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MK: We should also think about async way to make progress
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... are there any open issues for this?
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q+
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ack k
13:49:49 [dape]
Kaz: Maybe we can have more discussion in TD coordination call next Tuesday
13:50:06 [dape]
MK: Okay we can do that
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... let's commit what we have worked on today
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... https://github.com/w3c/wot/commit/dc4d7ffc0ad4b6ed70b120d4e317316fcefbf7f3
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... we can refine the notes later
13:52:01 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md updated Registry Mechanism Analysis doc
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MK: Any more comments on registry topic?
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--> none
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... okay let's close the meeting
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[adjourned]
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