IRC log of wot-td on 2024-05-30
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/30-wot-td-irc
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- meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann
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- present+ Michael_Koster
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_29_and_30_2024
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- present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- regrets+ Ege
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- present+ Daniel_Peintner
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- topic: Agenda
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- mjk: (quickly skims the agenda)
- 13:11:04 [kaz]
- ... Thursday: Registry, Binding Mechanism Refactoring, TD Project/Backlog
- 13:12:14 [kaz]
- kaz: we have 6 attendees today. if everybody is OK with those items, we can talk about them
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- scribenick: dape
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- i/quickly/scribenick: kaz/
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- TOPIC: Agenda Review
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- s/TOPIC: Agenda Review//
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- q+
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- TOPIC: Binding Templates
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- SUBTOPIC: Note published
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- Kaz: Note was published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/NOTE-wot-binding-templates-20240528/
- 13:15:27 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/NOTE-wot-binding-templates-20240528/ may 28 Note
- 13:15:31 [kaz]
- s/may/May
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- q+
- 13:15:52 [dape]
- MK: Just an announcement
- 13:15:55 [mjk]
- q?
- 13:16:16 [dape]
- Kaz: Last minute updates should be applied to master branch also
- 13:16:39 [dape]
- ... I think Ege worked on a PR already
- 13:17:12 [dape]
- MK: There will be no specific document anymore.. becoming part of TD
- 13:17:27 [dape]
- ... might be last binding templates document published
- 13:17:31 [kaz]
- q-
- 13:17:38 [dape]
- Kaz: part of refactoring
- 13:17:45 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Registry
- 13:17:53 [dape]
- MK: Analysis Work is documented at https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md
- 13:18:09 [dape]
- ... we reviewed this document already in the past
- 13:18:52 [dape]
- ... we had discussion on PR, see https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1183
- 13:19:49 [dape]
- MK: we will track spec version
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- ... revision numbers will be updated to make clear what version works with which binding etc
- 13:21:08 [dape]
- ... bindings should be unique
- 13:22:29 [dape]
- ... w.r.t. rules of a registry
- 13:22:47 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:22:53 [dape]
- ... we have an initial list of protocols already
- 13:23:05 [dape]
- ... essential what we have already now
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- s/essential/essentially
- 13:23:41 [dape]
- MK: submission mechanism
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- ... could also be multiple registries
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- q?
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- Kaz: We have been doing good discussions
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- ... good timing to think about concrete template
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- ... e.g., about CoAP or MQTT
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- ... what to be described withing the registry
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- ... similar to what we have for use-case template
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- MK: Okay
- 13:25:56 [dape]
- ... template makes sense
- 13:26:27 [dape]
- ... shall we have another section in the registry-analysis/Readme.md document
- 13:26:35 [dape]
- Kaz: Yes
- 13:27:06 [dape]
- ... might think about another format (other than Markdown) also
- 13:28:10 [dape]
- <MK editing the document introducing a *new* section "Registry Template" right before appendix>
- 13:28:12 [kaz]
- s/might/maybe we can generate a separate MD file to describe necessary features of each registry entry. also might/
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- s/) also/) too/
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- 13:28:42 [mjk]
- q?
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- q-
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- present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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- 13:29:52 [JKRhb]
- q+
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- ack jk
- 13:30:33 [dape]
- JR: Should we work on the template asynchronously
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- s/asynchronously/asynchronously?
- 13:32:49 [dape]
- MK: What can we do in the meeting vs. asynchronously
- 13:33:28 [cris]
- q+
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- ... shall we say more in the current editing or work on it later
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- CA: top level file for introduction? or submission file?
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- MK: Yes, a submission template
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- CA: should they be the same?
- 13:35:04 [dape]
- ... what about maintainer and context around protocol
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- MK: That makes sense
- 13:35:52 [cris]
- q+
- 13:36:11 [dape]
- MK: Currently we have an HTML file
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- CA: plus context file and JSON schema file
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- ... JSON schema could be optional
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- ... but good to have for validation purposes
- 13:37:15 [dape]
- MK: Yes, some files might be optional
- 13:37:30 [luca_barbato]
- q+
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- ... there are also ontology files (ttl, JSON-LD)
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- q?
- 13:37:51 [kaz]
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- 13:38:05 [kaz]
- chair: Koster
- 13:38:13 [dape]
- LB: context vs ontology file.. isn't it the same?
- 13:38:50 [dape]
- MK: ontology file for me are separate ontology files
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- ack luca_barbato
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- ack c
- 13:39:34 [dape]
- CA: Could be separated .. even though it is very tight
- 13:39:43 [kaz]
- q+
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- MK: we can merge the 2 items one bullet list item
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- q?
- 13:39:54 [mjk]
- q?
- 13:40:10 [dape]
- MK: Kaz mentioned YAML file?
- 13:40:20 [luca_barbato]
- q+
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- Kaz: Just to get initial input to generate Markdown
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- ... don't need to dive into details now
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- Kaz: context vs. ontology
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- ... question of structure
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- ... multiple ontology files like parent ontology et cetera
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- s/context vs/regarding the question on context vs/
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- MK: We need to think about structure and organization
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- s/question of s/it's rather a question of the s/
- 13:43:02 [dape]
- ... some consistent pattern for the artifacts
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- s/parent ontology/parent ontology and children onotlogies/
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- q?
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- ack k
- 13:43:52 [dape]
- ack luca_barbato
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- LB: YAML template can be used in GitHub
- 13:44:22 [JKRhb]
- q+
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- ... functionality for PullRequests
- 13:44:44 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:44:50 [dape]
- ... workflow for creating issue and linking PR
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- ... can be streamlined
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- q?
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- ack j
- 13:45:23 [dape]
- JR: could have template repository
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- ... helps people to create own binding
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- MK: Yeah
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- ... kind of a blank version
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- LB: Link-ML could offer template generation
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- MK: I see, more a repository template
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- ... a repository for each binding
- 13:48:12 [mjk]
- q?
- 13:48:55 [dape]
- MK: We should also think about async way to make progress
- 13:49:08 [dape]
- ... are there any open issues for this?
- 13:49:09 [kaz]
- q+
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- ack k
- 13:49:49 [dape]
- Kaz: Maybe we can have more discussion in TD coordination call next Tuesday
- 13:50:06 [dape]
- MK: Okay we can do that
- 13:51:21 [dape]
- ... let's commit what we have worked on today
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- ... https://github.com/w3c/wot/commit/dc4d7ffc0ad4b6ed70b120d4e317316fcefbf7f3
- 13:51:45 [dape]
- ... we can refine the notes later
- 13:52:01 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md updated Registry Mechanism Analysis doc
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- MK: Any more comments on registry topic?
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- --> none
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- ... okay let's close the meeting
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- [adjourned]
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