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14:53:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:53:42 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:53:54 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
14:54:15 <Fazio> present+
14:54:32 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:54:32 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
14:54:32 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension
14:54:32 <Fazio> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
14:54:32 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
14:54:34 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github #156 Issue Section 3.5: proof points should consider whether people with disabilities actually were included in the workforce as a result of the efforts made.
14:54:34 <gb> /issues/156 -> #156
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15:02:59 <NehaJ> zakim, take up item 1
15:02:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:12:22 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:12:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:12:22 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
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15:12:51 <Fazio> Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
15:13:21 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154
15:13:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? (by jasonjgw)
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15:15:37 <jlkline> queue+
15:16:13 <NehaJ> jasonjgw support effectiveness be included as a proof point  by adding an appropriate criteria?
15:17:34 <janina> q?
15:22:19 <Fazio> q+
15:22:34 <NehaJ> ack jlkline
15:22:40 <janina> q+
15:24:20 <NehaJ> jeff: we can include set of suggested goals in the dimension
15:24:56 <Mark_Miller> q+
15:25:28 <NehaJ> ack Fazio
15:25:56 <Dr_Keith> If you set metrics you're moving to a model closer to WCAG and testable success criteria.  Is that the goal of maturity assessment?
15:27:33 <NehaJ> Fazio proof points are examples but not necessary.
15:27:38 <NehaJ> q?
15:28:11 <NehaJ> Fazio if we have to make in mandatory then we have to add in definition
15:28:17 <NehaJ> ack janina
15:29:07 <CharlesL> q+
15:29:19 <NehaJ> janina have some way to create a document which has some outcome
15:29:29 <NehaJ> q?
15:30:44 <NehaJ> ack Mark_Miller
15:31:01 <jasonjgw> q}
15:31:18 <jasonjgw> q?
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15:33:09 <NehaJ> Mark_Miller other maturity models have a stage to measure maturity
15:33:19 <NehaJ> q?
15:34:05 <janina> q?
15:34:26 <NehaJ> ack CharlesL
15:35:21 <jasonjgw> q+
15:36:02 <NehaJ> CharlesL shared benetech experience, understanding proof points was difficult for some
15:37:04 <NehaJ> CharlesL benetech key points: avg time each department took was 3 - 4 hours
15:39:09 <NehaJ> Fazio stages need to be more clear? and how proof points are more related to those? - take away from benetech learning
15:40:04 <NehaJ> Fazio documentation is published so it needs to be very clear
15:40:18 <NehaJ> ack jlkline
15:43:10 <NehaJ> jeff: model should consider some type of prioritization on proof points
15:43:15 <NehaJ> ack jasonjgw
15:46:48 <NehaJ> jasonjgw what should be evidence and what should not
15:47:53 <NehaJ> jasonjgw some examples of goals and matrix would ne helpful
15:51:08 <NehaJ> jasonjgw none of the things are prescriptive but abstract, should be supported with exmaples
15:53:27 <NehaJ> zakim, next item
15:53:27 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:54:15 <NehaJ> Fazio when to republish
15:54:33 <NehaJ> janina should talkone more time next week
15:56:36 <NehaJ> RESOLUTION: Maturity model task force APA request updated with current status
15:57:19 <NehaJ> RRAgent, make the minutes
15:58:14 <NehaJ> RRSAgent, make the minutes
15:58:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/29-maturity-minutes.html NehaJ
15:58:22 <NehaJ> zakim, end meeting
15:58:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, CharlesL, janina, Stacey, NehaJ, Dr_Keith, jasonjgw, Mark_Miller, SusiPallero, angelabarker
15:58:22 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/29-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:58:28 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, NehaJ; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:16:56 <janina> rrsagent, bye
18:16:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items