IRC log of wot-td on 2024-05-23
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- meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Daiel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura
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- chair: Koster
- 13:05:10 [Ege]
- scribenick: Ege
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- topic: TD Errata
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- q+
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- ack k
- 13:11:01 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2023 PR 2023 - Fixes to Errata Documents
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- scribe+
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- ek: slightly updated the PR 2023
- 13:11:24 [kaz]
- ... (goes through the updated PR 2023)
- 13:11:41 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2023/files Files changed
- 13:12:01 [Ege]
- ek: I have removed scripts, added how to main the document section
- 13:12:27 [kaz]
- i/have/scribenick: Ege/
- 13:12:30 [Ege]
- mk: this can be automated later
- 13:12:37 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:12:42 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:12:43 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 13:13:13 [Ege]
- ek: we can look at this one and the arch and discovery in the next main call
- 13:14:28 [Ege]
- mk: do we need resolution?
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- kaz: we can do so and bring to main call
- 13:15:25 [Ege]
- proposal: agree to update the errata document for TD 1.0 and 1.1 by merging PR at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2023
- 13:16:26 [Ege]
- RESOLUTION: agree to update the errata document for TD 1.0 and 1.1 by merging PR at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2023
- 13:16:35 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:16:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 13:17:10 [kaz]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_22_and_23_2024
- 13:17:58 [kaz]
- topic: Binding Templates
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- subtopic: Registry
- 13:18:10 [Ege]
- ek: we have a draft PR for the requirements
- 13:18:34 [kaz]
- i|we|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md Registry mechanism Analysis
- 13:18:55 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:19:22 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1183 wot PR 1183 - Registry Requirements Revision
- 13:19:23 [kaz]
- q-
- 13:19:56 [Ege]
- mk: we can render to view this new section
- 13:20:16 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/9f34a033bc14357750f0f21c6ab15e46c922d6b6/registry-analysis/Readme.md Rendered Readme.md
- 13:22:06 [Ege]
- ek: we have the point with TODO, then we have points with not enough text
- 13:24:39 [Ege]
- mk: we have todo on where the registry should live
- 13:24:47 [mjk]
- q?
- 13:25:21 [Ege]
- ek: if it is a section, it is mechanically more difficult to update
- 13:26:26 [Ege]
- mk: any questions?
- 13:27:28 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:27:28 [Ege]
- ek: not having it in the td spec means maintaining a document close to the TD spec
- 13:28:39 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:29:08 [Ege]
- kaz: we can keep working on this document
- 13:29:32 [Ege]
- mk: I tend towards having a separate document
- 13:29:55 [kaz]
- q+
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- q-
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- q+
- 13:33:25 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/ W3C Process Document
- 13:33:56 [luca_barbato]
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- 13:34:26 [Ege]
- ek: are we allowed to have a registry track document since it is not mentioned in the charter?
- 13:35:07 [kaz]
- [[
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- A registry report or registry section is purely documentational, is not subject to the W3C Patent Policy, and must not contain any requirements on implementations. For the purposes of the Patent Policy [PATENT-POLICY], any registry section in a Recommendation track document is not a normative portion of that specification.
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- ]]
- 13:35:13 [Ege]
- Registries can be published either as a stand-alone technical report on the Registry Track called a registry report, or incorporated as part of a Recommendation as a registry section.
- 13:38:14 [Ege]
- kaz: registries are documentational and are not subject to patent policy
- 13:38:23 [Ege]
- mk: so the main question is whether we can have a separate document
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- q?
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- -
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- q-
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- 13:39:23 [luca_barbato]
- q+
- 13:39:27 [Ege]
- ek: Does anyone object to having a separate document for registry if W3C process allows it?
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 13:40:57 [Ege]
- lb: IPR is a bit confusing here?
- 13:41:26 [kaz]
- s/Daiel/Daniel/
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- present+ Luca_Barbato
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- q+
- 13:42:35 [luca_barbato]
- q+
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- ack lu
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- ack k
- 13:42:42 [Ege]
- lb: whether a binding is in rec section table or a separate document, the policy doesnt matter
- 13:42:43 [kaz]
- q+ luca
- 13:47:48 [mjk1]
- q:
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- q?
- 13:47:55 [luca_barbato]
- q-
- 13:48:02 [mjk1]
- q?
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- ack lu
- 13:49:29 [Ege]
- mk: we should definitely have a layered registry
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- ... coap is used differently in ocf and lwm2m, ocf uses post and lwm2m uses a put to writeproperty
- 13:50:31 [kaz]
- q+
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- mk: bindings should be identifiable
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- ack k
- 13:53:50 [luca_barbato]
- q+
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- ek: an ocf or lwm2m binding would be difficult to identify just from form elements
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- ... also has other requirements
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- mk: A profile can be useful in that case
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- q?
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- ... but we need to define the profile first
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- lb: (didn't understand the first point, please extend)
- 13:57:59 [Ege]
- lb: we need to understand how to compose bindings
- 13:59:06 [Ege]
- ... also I would deprecate subprotocol and have a term called protocol and thus make everything explicit
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- ... subprotocol is a "papercut" I have found
- 14:00:31 [Ege]
- lb: I would love to talk about degraded consumption
- 14:01:09 [mjk1]
- q?
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- ack lu
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- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz