13:36:15 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:36:19 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-irc 13:36:24 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:36:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:36:52 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:36:52 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240523T150000/ 13:36:52 clear agenda 13:36:52 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:36:52 agenda+ Action Items 13:36:52 agenda+ Info Share 13:36:53 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:36:55 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:36:58 agenda+ string-meta explainer 13:37:12 agenda+ needs-attention issue review 13:37:12 agenda+ AOB? 13:56:38 present+ Addison 13:59:07 JcK has joined #i18n 14:04:37 action: addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool 14:04:44 Created -> action #100 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100 14:06:25 agenda? 14:06:29 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:06:29 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:06:37 scribe+ 14:06:47 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:06:47 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:06:54 present+ Bert, xfq 14:07:02 #99 14:07:02 present+ JcK 14:07:02 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28 14:07:08 present+ atsushi 14:07:09 JcK has joined #i18n 14:07:17 rrsagent, make minutes 14:07:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:07:24 rrsagent, make log public 14:07:37 #98 14:07:38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23 14:07:43 present+ JcK (maybe) 14:07:45 #93 14:07:46 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25 14:07:50 regrets: r12a 14:08:12 #90 14:08:13 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 14:08:26 #89 14:08:27 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 14:08:34 #87 14:08:35 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04 14:08:46 #79 14:08:47 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:09:03 #78 14:09:04 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:09:14 #43 14:09:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18 14:09:37 #33 14:09:38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:09:51 #8 14:09:52 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:09:57 #7 14:09:57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:10:28 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:10:28 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:10:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:11:53 JcK: BCP 47 is under control. It was inconsistent, but IANA now working on it. 14:12:14 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:12:14 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:12:23 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 14:12:55 addison: One new incoming request, HTML Ruby extensions. Who can review? 14:13:09 xfq: I can. Maybe Richard, too? 14:14:15 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:14:15 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:14:23 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues 14:14:55 agenda? 14:15:08 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:15:08 agendum 6 -- string-meta explainer -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:15:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md 14:15:56 addison: Richard had a bunch of comments, but he is not here today. 14:16:37 ... I usedmy own graphic for the example with ‘covid-19’. 14:16:49 xfq: You removed the footnotes? 14:16:59 addison: Yes, they became links in the text. 14:18:14 addison: the last char in Japanese & Chinese example looks unusual for Japanese. 14:18:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%8Dgai_kanji 14:18:35 s/addison/atsushi/ 14:18:59 addison: Is there a similar char to use instead? 14:19:16 atsushi: Need to think about it... 14:20:30 addison: So we should probably nudge Richard to look at the examples. 14:20:39 in my system they are rendered using "Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProN" and "PingFang TC" fonts, and their glyphs are different 14:21:35 (characters is U+5794 垔) 14:22:04 addison: I'll nudge Richard. 14:22:20 zakim, take up agendum 7 14:22:20 agendum 7 -- needs-attention issue review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:22:37 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention 14:23:07 i18n-activity#8 14:23:08 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8 -> Issue 8 i18n-ISSUE-429: "valid" language tag (by r12a) [s:webvtt] [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [wg:timed-text] [cg:texttracks] 14:23:26 addison: As part of my reviewing issues labeled with ‘close?’. 14:25:04 ... I don't think WebVTT is going to change. I propose we close the issue. 14:25:11 +1 to close 14:25:11 https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/ 14:26:00 https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text 14:26:23 atsushi: Still in CR 14:26:34 https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span 14:27:14 addison: Our comment is to be clearer about what ‘valid’ means. Otherwise nothing wrong about that note. 14:28:41 xfq: It is a requirement for the *author*, isn't it? 14:29:04 addison: They say implementations do not need to check. 14:29:27 ... I think we're OK with saying that the tag must be ‘valid’ 14:29:34 i18n-activity#46 14:29:38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46 -> Issue 46 i18n-ISSUE-391: Quotation Marks are Different in Other Languages (by r12a) [s:dpub-pagination] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:typ_misc] [ig:publishing] 14:30:43 addison: The repo for dpub-pagination is gone. Maybe part of dpub now? 14:31:14 xfq: Give me an action to find out the history and see if we can do anything. 14:31:21 action: xfq: research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments 14:31:22 Created -> action #101 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101 14:32:15 xfq: This one is about our latin layout requirements document. 14:32:37 ... Keep the issue open for now. 14:32:45 i18n-activity#78 14:32:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78 -> Issue 78 i18n-ISSUE-464: 'label' needs direction and language metadata (by r12a) [close?] [s:mediacapture-streams] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_strings] [t:lang_strings] [wg:webrtc] 14:33:32 mediacapture-main#665 14:33:33 https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665 -> Issue 665 'label' needs direction and language metadata (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution] 14:33:52 addison: We said last year we were not satisfied. Their issue is still open. 14:34:12 xfq: They asked for real situations. 14:35:09 addison: I'm limited by the devices I have when I need to make examples. 14:36:32 xfq: Makes sense to remove the needs-attention and close? labels. 14:36:50 i18n-activity#590 14:36:51 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590 -> Issue 590 advance is measured as distance up to left side of character #3994 (by r12a) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg] 14:38:15 addison: Issue is still open. Does not need the needs-attention label? 14:38:17 i18n-activity#758 14:38:18 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758 -> Issue 758 The lang attribute and user input (by himorin) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg] 14:39:45 addison: My last comment from Sep 2019 is that this may be equivalent to dirname attribute. Leave it alone? 14:40:25 i18n-activity#1026 14:40:26 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026 -> Issue 1026 Add hyphenation-hint as HTML-element (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:hyphenation] [whatwg] 14:41:28 i18n-activity#1376 14:41:29 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376 -> Issue 1376 multiple natural language text fields share language/direction [I18N] (by w3cbot) [close?] [s:appmanifest] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation] [wg:webapps] 14:42:34 addison: Parent issue is closed, but they have done work on it since. 14:42:55 ... Anyone knows the status? 14:43:54 xfq: I think there is another issue about this, but I don't know which. 14:44:01 https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045 14:44:02 https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045 -> Issue 1045 Web Manifest Overrides (by marcoscaceres) [i18n-tracker] [TPAC2023] 14:44:10 addison: The document in TR still has the problem. 14:44:50 xfq: This ^^ is a tracker issue, but maybe it's this one. 14:45:34 addison: I'll comment in their 968 asking if 1045 is the one tracking it. 14:46:05 ... I'll remove ‘needs-attention’ and cite 1045. 14:47:27 xfq: Also add needs-resolution to 1045? 14:47:31 addison: Yes 14:47:38 i18n-activity#1620 14:47:39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620 -> Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui] 14:48:22 addison: Question is if arrow key navigation follows text direction. 14:48:42 ... It is more complex than the summary. 14:49:03 ... Should we ping alreq and have bidi people review it? 14:49:11 xfq: Yes, probably. 14:49:32 action: addison: ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 14:49:34 Created -> action #102 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 14:50:17 i18n-activity#1758 14:50:18 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758 -> Issue 1758 Reference for punycode-encoding of IDN (by w3cbot) [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [s:rdf-concepts] [wg:rdf-star] 14:50:56 addison: You worked on this, Fuqiao? 14:51:10 xfq: Yes, I commented on it. And on specdev. 14:51:38 addison: I'll remove the needs-attention label. 14:51:55 zakim, take up agendum 8 14:51:55 agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:53:26 zakim, end meeting 14:53:26 As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Bert, xfq, JcK, atsushi, (maybe) 14:53:28 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:53:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html Zakim 14:53:36 I am happy to have been of service, Bert; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:53:36 Zakim has left #i18n 16:09:22 atsushi has joined #i18n 16:11:05 atsushi_ has joined #i18n