IRC log of i18n on 2024-05-23

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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html addison

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Chair: Addison Phillips

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240523T150000/

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clear agenda

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agenda+ Agenda Review

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agenda+ Action Items

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agenda+ Info Share

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agenda+ RADAR Review

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agenda+ Pending Issue Review

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agenda+ string-meta explainer

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agenda+ needs-attention issue review

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agenda+ AOB?

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present+ Addison

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action: addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool

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Created -> action #100 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100

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agenda?

14:06:29 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:06:37 [Bert]

scribe+

14:06:47 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:06:54 [xfq]

present+ Bert, xfq

14:07:02 [addison]

#99

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present+ JcK

14:07:02 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28

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present+ atsushi

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html xfq

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rrsagent, make log public

14:07:37 [addison]

#98

14:07:38 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23

14:07:43 [JcK]

present+ JcK (maybe)

14:07:45 [addison]

#93

14:07:46 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

14:07:50 [xfq]

regrets: r12a

14:08:12 [addison]

#90

14:08:13 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18

14:08:26 [addison]

#89

14:08:27 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18

14:08:34 [addison]

#87

14:08:35 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04

14:08:46 [addison]

#79

14:08:47 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

14:09:03 [addison]

#78

14:09:04 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

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#43

14:09:15 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18

14:09:37 [addison]

#33

14:09:38 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

14:09:51 [addison]

#8

14:09:52 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

14:09:57 [addison]

#7

14:09:57 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

14:10:28 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:10:28 [Zakim]

agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:10:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html addison

14:11:53 [Bert]

JcK: BCP 47 is under control. It was inconsistent, but IANA now working on it.

14:12:14 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:12:14 [Zakim]

agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:12:23 [addison]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

14:12:55 [Bert]

addison: One new incoming request, HTML Ruby extensions. Who can review?

14:13:09 [Bert]

xfq: I can. Maybe Richard, too?

14:14:15 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:14:23 [addison]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 6

14:15:08 [Zakim]

agendum 6 -- string-meta explainer -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:15:17 [addison]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md

14:15:56 [Bert]

addison: Richard had a bunch of comments, but he is not here today.

14:16:37 [Bert]

... I usedmy own graphic for the example with ‘covid-19’.

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xfq: You removed the footnotes?

14:16:59 [Bert]

addison: Yes, they became links in the text.

14:18:14 [Bert]

addison: the last char in Japanese & Chinese example looks unusual for Japanese.

14:18:34 [xfq]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%8Dgai_kanji

14:18:35 [Bert]

s/addison/atsushi/

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addison: Is there a similar char to use instead?

14:19:16 [Bert]

atsushi: Need to think about it...

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addison: So we should probably nudge Richard to look at the examples.

14:20:39 [xfq]

in my system they are rendered using "Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProN" and "PingFang TC" fonts, and their glyphs are different

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(characters is U+5794 垔)

14:22:04 [Bert]

addison: I'll nudge Richard.

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zakim, take up agendum 7

14:22:20 [Zakim]

agendum 7 -- needs-attention issue review -- taken up [from agendabot]

14:22:37 [addison]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention

14:23:07 [addison]

i18n-activity#8

14:23:08 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8 -> Issue 8 i18n-ISSUE-429: "valid" language tag (by r12a) [s:webvtt] [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [wg:timed-text] [cg:texttracks]

14:23:26 [Bert]

addison: As part of my reviewing issues labeled with ‘close?’.

14:25:04 [Bert]

... I don't think WebVTT is going to change. I propose we close the issue.

14:25:11 [atsushi]

+1 to close

14:25:11 [xfq]

https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/

14:26:00 [addison]

https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text

14:26:23 [Bert]

atsushi: Still in CR

14:26:34 [xfq]

https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span

14:27:14 [Bert]

addison: Our comment is to be clearer about what ‘valid’ means. Otherwise nothing wrong about that note.

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xfq: It is a requirement for the *author*, isn't it?

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addison: They say implementations do not need to check.

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... I think we're OK with saying that the tag must be ‘valid’

14:29:34 [addison]

i18n-activity#46

14:29:38 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46 -> Issue 46 i18n-ISSUE-391: Quotation Marks are Different in Other Languages (by r12a) [s:dpub-pagination] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:typ_misc] [ig:publishing]

14:30:43 [Bert]

addison: The repo for dpub-pagination is gone. Maybe part of dpub now?

14:31:14 [Bert]

xfq: Give me an action to find out the history and see if we can do anything.

14:31:21 [addison]

action: xfq: research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments

14:31:22 [gb]

Created -> action #101 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101

14:32:15 [Bert]

xfq: This one is about our latin layout requirements document.

14:32:37 [Bert]

... Keep the issue open for now.

14:32:45 [addison]

i18n-activity#78

14:32:45 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78 -> Issue 78 i18n-ISSUE-464: 'label' needs direction and language metadata (by r12a) [close?] [s:mediacapture-streams] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_strings] [t:lang_strings] [wg:webrtc]

14:33:32 [addison]

mediacapture-main#665

14:33:33 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665 -> Issue 665 'label' needs direction and language metadata (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution]

14:33:52 [Bert]

addison: We said last year we were not satisfied. Their issue is still open.

14:34:12 [Bert]

xfq: They asked for real situations.

14:35:09 [Bert]

addison: I'm limited by the devices I have when I need to make examples.

14:36:32 [Bert]

xfq: Makes sense to remove the needs-attention and close? labels.

14:36:50 [addison]

i18n-activity#590

14:36:51 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590 -> Issue 590 advance is measured as distance up to left side of character #3994 (by r12a) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg]

14:38:15 [Bert]

addison: Issue is still open. Does not need the needs-attention label?

14:38:17 [addison]

i18n-activity#758

14:38:18 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758 -> Issue 758 The lang attribute and user input (by himorin) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg]

14:39:45 [Bert]

addison: My last comment from Sep 2019 is that this may be equivalent to dirname attribute. Leave it alone?

14:40:25 [addison]

i18n-activity#1026

14:40:26 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026 -> Issue 1026 Add hyphenation-hint as HTML-element (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:hyphenation] [whatwg]

14:41:28 [addison]

i18n-activity#1376

14:41:29 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376 -> Issue 1376 multiple natural language text fields share language/direction [I18N] (by w3cbot) [close?] [s:appmanifest] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation] [wg:webapps]

14:42:34 [Bert]

addison: Parent issue is closed, but they have done work on it since.

14:42:55 [Bert]

... Anyone knows the status?

14:43:54 [Bert]

xfq: I think there is another issue about this, but I don't know which.

14:44:01 [xfq]

https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045

14:44:02 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045 -> Issue 1045 Web Manifest Overrides (by marcoscaceres) [i18n-tracker] [TPAC2023]

14:44:10 [Bert]

addison: The document in TR still has the problem.

14:44:50 [Bert]

xfq: This ^^ is a tracker issue, but maybe it's this one.

14:45:34 [Bert]

addison: I'll comment in their 968 asking if 1045 is the one tracking it.

14:46:05 [Bert]

... I'll remove ‘needs-attention’ and cite 1045.

14:47:27 [Bert]

xfq: Also add needs-resolution to 1045?

14:47:31 [Bert]

addison: Yes

14:47:38 [addison]

i18n-activity#1620

14:47:39 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620 -> Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]

14:48:22 [Bert]

addison: Question is if arrow key navigation follows text direction.

14:48:42 [Bert]

... It is more complex than the summary.

14:49:03 [Bert]

... Should we ping alreq and have bidi people review it?

14:49:11 [Bert]

xfq: Yes, probably.

14:49:32 [addison]

action: addison: ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620

14:49:34 [gb]

Created -> action #102 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102

14:50:17 [addison]

i18n-activity#1758

14:50:18 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758 -> Issue 1758 Reference for punycode-encoding of IDN (by w3cbot) [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [s:rdf-concepts] [wg:rdf-star]

14:50:56 [Bert]

addison: You worked on this, Fuqiao?

14:51:10 [Bert]

xfq: Yes, I commented on it. And on specdev.

14:51:38 [Bert]

addison: I'll remove the needs-attention label.

14:51:55 [addison]

zakim, take up agendum 8

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agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]

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zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Bert, xfq, JcK, atsushi, (maybe)

14:53:28 [Zakim]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html Zakim

14:53:36 [Zakim]

I am happy to have been of service, Bert; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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