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12:01:50 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:02:35 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Tim_Panton
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12:04:32 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
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12:05:31 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_May_2024
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12:06:05 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:06:50 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
12:07:12 <luca_barbato> topic: New members
12:07:29 <luca_barbato> mm: We have a new member, Tim can you present yourself?
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12:08:18 <luca_barbato> Tim: I participated to the WebRTC group, I'm looking forward to learn and then contribute
12:08:46 <luca_barbato> mm: Do you have been involved to the local p2p proposals?
12:08:54 <luca_barbato> Tim: I just started reading it
12:08:57 <kaz> q+
12:09:07 <luca_barbato> q+
12:10:44 <kaz> ack k
12:11:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: We already discussed in the profile call, regarding contributing a UC for the streaming + wot
12:11:28 <kaz> ack lu
12:11:50 <kaz> lb: getting more and more interest in multimedia use cases
12:11:55 <kaz> ... any specific procedure?
12:12:11 <kaz> mm: as Kaz mentioned we should start with use cases
12:12:51 <luca_barbato> mm: I guess we first need to look into the UC, and bootstrapping a new task force would require changes in the charter document
12:12:59 <kaz> s/mm: as Kaz mentioned we should start with use cases//
12:13:06 <kaz> i/getting/scribenick: kaz/
12:13:07 <mm8> proposal: Accept Michael Koster as an Invited Expert for the WoT IG.
12:13:28 <luca_barbato> mm: Does it need to fill a form?
12:13:31 <kaz> i/I guess/scribenick: luca_barbato/
12:13:33 <mm8> resolution: Accept Michael Koster as an Invited Expert for the WoT IG.
12:13:38 <luca_barbato> kaz: It can be accepted quickly
12:14:01 <kaz> s/It can/He has already submitted one, and it can/
12:14:22 <Ege> q+
12:14:26 <kaz> i/proposal:/topic: Invited Experts/
12:14:26 <luca_barbato> mm: The invited expert policy require the expert to be actively involved to producing the standard
12:14:37 <kaz> q+
12:14:52 <luca_barbato> mm: Did you reach out them already Kaz?
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12:16:05 <luca_barbato> Kaz: I will contact two candidates
12:16:30 <luca_barbato> topic: Minutes
12:16:47 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:17:08 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html May-15
12:17:14 <luca_barbato> mm: The general policy is to review them ahead of time, but today we can review it now.
12:17:29 <mjk> q?
12:17:33 <kaz> ack e
12:17:34 <kaz> ack k
12:17:44 <luca_barbato> <goes over the minutes>
12:19:45 <luca_barbato> mm: Any other comments?
12:19:54 <luca_barbato> mm: Objections to publish?
12:19:57 <luca_barbato> <none>
12:20:05 <luca_barbato> topic: Quick Items
12:20:26 <luca_barbato> mm: We are now officially started, the email got sent
12:21:19 <luca_barbato> topic: Errata
12:21:37 <luca_barbato> mm: Ege did you start writing a policy proposal in this regard?
12:21:47 <luca_barbato> ege: I'll prepare it later
12:22:15 <luca_barbato> ege: I prepared some PRs for Architecture, TD,
12:22:24 <luca_barbato> ... and Discovery
12:22:27 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2023 https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/946 https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/547
12:23:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:23:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:34 <luca_barbato> mm: When you are ready we'll review all
12:23:39 <luca_barbato> topic: Notices
12:23:47 <luca_barbato> mm: Anybody has notices about anything?
12:23:51 <luca_barbato> topic: Meetups
12:24:15 <luca_barbato> mm: The CG group has an upcoming meeting
12:24:33 <luca_barbato> mm: Sadly it overlaps with other meetings so I cannot make to it
12:24:48 <luca_barbato> ege: We can talk but there always conflicts in the schedule
12:25:25 <luca_barbato> ege: The meetup we had on Solid and we discovered that one of the luggage control has WoT in production
12:25:36 <Ege> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6vnqo4j1tA
12:25:43 <kaz> chair: McCool, Koster
12:26:06 <luca_barbato> mm: It would be helpful to have more information on adoption
12:26:42 <luca_barbato> ege: It is sort of tricky to list them since it would be promoting companies, we need agreement within the group
12:26:45 <luca_barbato> q+
12:27:19 <steely_glint> q+
12:27:21 <luca_barbato> ege: The people from the Solid CG asked interesting questions during the meeting
12:27:25 <kaz> q+
12:27:53 <luca_barbato> ege: They also use Discovery and they have bluetooth binding
12:28:17 <luca_barbato> mm: also Home Assistant has something to wire bt over wifi
12:29:39 <kaz> ack lu
12:29:50 <luca_barbato> lu: Marketing-wise we need a public list of adopters to convince more people
12:30:00 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's discuss it in the Marketing TF
12:30:17 <kaz> ack ste
12:30:47 <luca_barbato> Tim: For the WebRTC we did a marketing thing and we got companies to write testimonials
12:31:00 <luca_barbato> ... and that was done by the W3C.
12:31:16 <luca_barbato> mm: We did something similar
12:31:39 <luca_barbato> mm: We need a mechanism to keep track of the adopters, but that's a Marketing TF task
12:32:17 <luca_barbato> kaz: In addition to Marketing purposes we would also contact the adopters for more UC
12:32:35 <kaz> q+
12:32:37 <luca_barbato> subtopic: WoT JP CG
12:32:44 <luca_barbato> mm: Any updates?
12:32:55 <kaz> ack k
12:32:58 <luca_barbato> kaz: Miz is not available today so no news
12:33:12 <kaz> s/UC/UC. Also possible joint meeting and breakout during TPAC./
12:33:30 <luca_barbato> mm: We should think of more F2F meetings in Asia
12:33:41 <luca_barbato> topic: Cancellations
12:33:50 <dape> q+
12:34:16 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations
12:34:19 <luca_barbato> mm: We have few cancellations and we will have more on July
12:34:56 <dape> ack dape
12:35:24 <luca_barbato> <more July cancellations added>
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12:36:19 <luca_barbato> topic: Publication Milestones
12:36:47 <luca_barbato> mm: No changes over the schedule, we should add intermediate goals
12:37:02 <kaz> i|No c|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|
12:37:06 <luca_barbato> mm: We should either restart Discover or moving its milestone
12:37:12 <kaz> q+
12:37:27 <luca_barbato> topic: Publications
12:37:39 <luca_barbato> mm: Anything new regarding the binding template Note
12:37:39 <Ege> q+
12:37:44 <kaz> ack k
12:37:45 <kaz> ack e
12:37:55 <luca_barbato> ege: We waited 2 weeks, now it is over
12:38:12 <luca_barbato> .. only one feedback to fix a figure
12:38:13 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/367
12:38:20 <luca_barbato> .. we have a PR
12:38:32 <luca_barbato> .. no other issue
12:39:13 <luca_barbato> mm: We can confirm the publication including the PR or merge the PR and make a resolution
12:39:13 <kaz> i|Anything|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2024May/0001.html Ege's call for review on May 8|
12:39:34 <mm8> proposal: To confirm TD TF Resolution https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 publish and publish updated Binding Template WG Note.
12:39:50 <luca_barbato> mm: Any objections?
12:39:59 <mm8> proposal: To confirm TD TF Resolution https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 publish and publish updated Binding Template WG Note based on the current Editor's draft.
12:40:14 <mm8> proposal: To confirm TD TF Resolution https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 to publish updated Binding Template WG Note based on the current Editor's draft.
12:40:27 <luca_barbato> mm: Any objections?
12:40:36 <luca_barbato> <no objections>
12:40:37 <mm8> resolution: To confirm TD TF Resolution https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 to publish updated Binding Template WG Note based on the current Editor's draft.
12:41:01 <luca_barbato> topic: TF Discussion
12:41:04 <kaz> i|Anything|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html#r01 Basic resolution on May 15|
12:42:18 <luca_barbato> subtopic: The Security activities can be offloaded to the other TF
12:42:34 <luca_barbato> s/subtopic:/mm:
12:43:20 <luca_barbato> mm: Mahda you were interested, but I guess you also have time constraints
12:43:32 <kaz> s/Mahda you/Mahda, you/
12:43:55 <luca_barbato> mahda: We can make a try to tackle the security concerns in the other TF
12:44:10 <luca_barbato> mm: I'm ok with this plan
12:44:47 <mjk> q?
12:45:39 <luca_barbato> mm: Regarding Discovery, we need to understand what we it is left to be done and get feedback from the larger ecosystem.
12:45:50 <luca_barbato> mm: We should get more input
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12:46:25 <luca_barbato> mm: If pressing needs for discovery I can return as TF lead
12:46:44 <kaz> q+
12:46:50 <luca_barbato> mm: At the very least Discovery should support TD 2.0 so once TD 2.0 is ready we need need to update
12:47:14 <luca_barbato> kaz: Do we need to concentrate on getting a new TF leader for Discovery?
12:47:31 <luca_barbato> mm: Yes, Security can be postponed further
12:47:31 <kaz> ack k
12:48:11 <luca_barbato> kaz: The most pressing task is surveying other standards' discovery practices?
12:48:16 <luca_barbato> mm: Yes
12:48:23 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:48:30 <luca_barbato> kaz: Do we want to wait another week?
12:48:49 <luca_barbato> topic: JSON Schema
12:49:26 <kaz> q+
12:49:36 <luca_barbato> mm: Ege wrote our point in the issue
12:49:52 <kaz> i|Ege|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108#issuecomment-2082109340 Ege's input on strategy issue|
12:49:58 <mm8> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108#issuecomment-2082109340
12:50:10 <luca_barbato> mm: Do we have updates on it?
12:50:15 <luca_barbato> ege: No
12:50:20 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108#issuecomment-2082109340||
12:50:36 <luca_barbato> mm: We may have a possible breakout session at TPAC?
12:50:46 <luca_barbato> ege: TPAC is too further in time
12:51:13 <luca_barbato> ege: We do not have much to discuss and it is a W3C-wide issue
12:51:29 <luca_barbato> mm: I meant making a meeting about schemas in general
12:51:33 <luca_barbato> q+
12:52:17 <kaz> s/ege: No/ege: No. So would Kaz to talk within the Strategy Team about this.
12:52:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:52:30 <luca_barbato> ege: Our issue with JSON Schema is that we rely on it for our Data Schema
12:52:34 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
12:53:07 <luca_barbato> mm: So there are two issues, one is validation and one is JSON Schema standardization
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12:54:15 <luca_barbato> ege: Schema-validation it an easier issue, our linkml experiment is leading to produce multiple protocols for that
12:54:28 <kaz> s/it an/is an/
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12:54:47 <kaz> ack lu
12:55:23 <luca_barbato> lu: I'm against making normative any validation system
12:56:25 <kaz> q?
12:56:27 <luca_barbato> lu: We cannot require implementation to use anything specific to do the validation
12:57:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: You may want to give me an action item to discuss with the Strategy Team
12:57:22 <luca_barbato> mm: If you can put it on the agenda would be great.
12:57:38 <kaz> action: kaz to talk with the Strategy Team about JSON Schema standardization
12:57:50 <luca_barbato> topic: Update
12:58:14 <kaz> s/Update/F2F updates/
12:58:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning F2F wiki
12:58:20 <luca_barbato> mm: Sebastian is not available, so we cannot get updates
12:58:47 <kaz> q+
12:59:34 <luca_barbato> mm: We may have additional event/days around the already set days for the F2F Meeting in November
13:00:16 <luca_barbato> kaz: I'm ok with the basic plan, we can start to think regarding the organization timeline
13:00:52 <luca_barbato> kaz: What we can do for the June F2F virtual meeting?
13:01:06 <luca_barbato> mm: We might drop the June event
13:01:12 <mm8> proposal: drop the plans for the virtual June 2024 F2F.
13:01:21 <cris> q+
13:01:25 <kaz> s/regarding/about/
13:01:25 <kaz> ack k
13:01:29 <luca_barbato> q+
13:01:45 <luca_barbato> cris: Not a big objection, but we might wait for Sebastian
13:01:48 <kaz> ack cr
13:01:57 <luca_barbato> lu: +1
13:02:03 <luca_barbato> ack luca_barbato
13:02:15 <luca_barbato> mm: More comments?
13:02:52 <luca_barbato> mm: Please fill the table in the wiki
13:03:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Participants_%28needs_to_be_updated%29 participation table for Nov meeting
13:03:52 <kaz> [adjourned]
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