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14:52:06 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:52:28 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
14:52:35 <Fazio> present+
14:52:45 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
14:55:00 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:55:00 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension
14:55:00 <Fazio> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
14:55:00 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
14:55:00 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
14:55:02 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github #156 Issue Section 3.5: proof points should consider whether people with disabilities actually were included in the workforce as a result of the efforts made.
14:55:02 <gb> /issues/156 -> #156
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15:04:36 <Stacey> zakim, next item
15:04:36 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:05:38 <Stacey> Janina: Will not attend W3C meetings the second week of June
15:07:04 <Stacey> Fazio: Conference of State PArties is coming up (US, CAN, Mexico...examples fo state parties). This is the one on rights of people with disabilities. Happens eveyr June-ish.
15:07:31 <Stacey> Janina: need to come in under an NGO (called non-profit in the US)
15:14:07 <Stacey> zakim, next item
15:14:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:16:31 <CharlesL> Pull request: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/pull/207#issuecomment-2121389183
15:16:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/pull/207 -> Pull Request 207 Updated "Communications" section (usability doc) (by swinehartganderson)
15:16:58 <Stacey> Stacey: Fixed the Github desktop issue with Charles, put in the first pull request. Will send each dimension updates as individual pull requests.
15:20:06 <Stacey> Fazio: Can we add for all dimensions for the Evaluation section that was added (since we removed the term "outcome" but kept the outcome descriptors..."the level is [insert stage name like Inactive] if proof points demonstrate that:"
15:20:41 <Stacey> Janina: can we replace "if" with "when"?
15:21:44 <Fazio> The level is <b>Inactive</b> if:</p>
15:21:44 <Fazio>         <ul>
15:21:44 <Fazio>           <li>no effort has been made or only isolated efforts have been identified.</li>
15:21:44 <Fazio>         </ul>
15:21:45 <Fazio>         <p>The level is <b>Launch</b> if:</p>
15:21:45 <Fazio>         <ul>
15:21:45 <Fazio>           <li>some plans are in place to make internal and external communications accessible (and compliant with accessibility regulations, where applicable), but those plans haven&apos;t materialized into a cohesive roadmap</li>
15:21:46 <Fazio>           <li>plans are in place to provide training on accessible communications knowledge and skills relevant to each individual&apos;s position.</li>
15:21:46 <Fazio>         </ul>
15:23:29 <Stacey> Jeff: "Your proof point is in this stage when it's in this level"
15:23:50 <Stacey> Fazio: that's the same thing
15:24:07 <Fazio> The level is <b>Inactive</b> if:</p>
15:24:07 <Fazio>         <ul>
15:24:07 <Fazio>           <li>no effort has been made or only isolated efforts have been identified.</li>
15:24:07 <Fazio>         </ul>
15:24:08 <Fazio>         <p>The level is Launch when your proof points demonstrate that:
15:24:08 <Fazio>         <ul>
15:24:08 <Fazio>           <li>some plans are in place to make internal and external communications accessible (and compliant with accessibility regulations, where applicable), but those plans haven&apos;t materialized into a cohesive roadmap</li>
15:24:09 <Fazio>           <li>plans are in place to provide training on accessible communications knowledge and skills relevant to each individual&apos;s position.</li>
15:24:09 <Fazio>         </ul>
15:25:26 <CharlesL> (This pasted above doesn't include David's suggested changes.)
15:29:38 <Stacey> Fazio: let's focus on the structure doc updates, then come back and update content after/edit and tighten the content for the level definitions
15:34:09 <Stacey> Stacey: My goal for finishing the pull requests is by next meeting
15:36:11 <Stacey> Charles: I'm just helping with Github issues, she's doing all the work. For pull request, add in what changes are made (like the content update) and add a re-request to review. Push update to existing pull request. In website say "re-review for Charles"
15:36:18 <Stacey> zakim, next item
15:36:18 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:36:40 <Stacey> Jeff: no updates on scoring
15:36:45 <Stacey> zakim, close this item
15:36:45 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:36:46 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:36:46 <Zakim> 4. Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? [from Fazio]
15:36:46 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
15:38:12 <Stacey> Jeff: do we want to use the update draft excel spreadsheet into the web and delete the drafts folder?
15:39:16 <Stacey> Charles: I'll put in the spreadsheet link separate from Stacey's updates/pull requests
15:39:38 <Stacey> zakim, next item
15:39:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:40:10 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154
15:40:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? (by jasonjgw)
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15:41:04 <Fazio> Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
15:42:01 <Stacey> Jeff: in each dimension, there's a goal for establishing goals or metrics
15:42:20 <Stacey> Fazio: a proof point may or may not apply...should it be with outcomes?
15:42:43 <Stacey> Jeff: I think it's a proof point, a global one that goes in every dimension.
15:43:03 <Stacey> Fazio: outcomes defines what stage. Which stage would that proof point apply to?
15:43:13 <Stacey> Jeff: all. it's a maturity level.
15:43:31 <Stacey> Fazio: how say it is required for each dimension?
15:43:54 <Stacey> Jeff: metrics are established and tracked to improve all aspects of this dimension...
15:53:07 <Stacey> Stacey: Stacey will add a comment in #154 on a proposed structure for adding in establishing goals and outcomes.
15:57:47 <Stacey> Fazio: to Jeff's point, I think I align. In 3.2.1.1 proof point for knowledge and skills...do we want to follow this or have it in the stages? "Knowledge and skills may include, but not limited to..."
15:59:11 <Stacey> Fazio: we should invite Jason to discuss
15:59:24 <Stacey> zakim, end meeting
15:59:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Stacey, janina, Dr_Keith, CharlesL, jlkline
15:59:26 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:59:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/22-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:34 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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