13:56:29 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:56:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-irc 13:56:53 Meeting: I18N ⇔ CSS 13:57:03 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:57:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:57:25 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a1f2b55d-d2c7-40a1-a3e7-4c5eb70aa55e/20240521T070000/ 13:57:25 clear agenda 13:57:25 agenda+ Agenda 13:57:25 agenda+ Action Items 13:57:27 agenda+ Info Share and Progress Reports 13:57:29 agenda+ Review on-going issues 14:02:00 present+ Fuqiao, Addison, Elika, Florian 14:03:17 atsushi has joined #i18n 14:03:24 present+ Atsushi 14:03:37 agenda? 14:04:09 scribe+ 14:04:19 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:04:19 agendum 1 -- Agenda -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:24 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:04:24 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:47 #68 14:04:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/68 -> Action 68 follow up with florian about testing with kindle (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25 14:05:14 #35 14:05:14 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 -> Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30 14:05:31 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478 14:05:32 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478 -> Issue 5478 [css-content] Quote character choice must depend on surrounding language, not language of the quotation (by r12a) [css-content-3] [Agenda+] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG Resolution] [i18n-needs-resolution] [Agenda+ i18n] 14:05:32 addison: I haven't pinged Florian about testing with Kindle, but we could have a side conversation later 14:05:51 florian: this is about the q element 14:06:06 ... I think we had a good discussion about this last time 14:06:18 ... realizing that it's tricky 14:07:08 ... fantasai has made edits, we have looked at them, there are problems 14:07:28 ... we need to investigate whether the alternative solution work or not 14:07:36 ... and we haven't done that yet 14:07:43 rrsagent, make log public 14:07:46 rrsagent, make minutes 14:07:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:08:33 florian: we need to either make a pull request of an alternative and ask review 14:08:45 ... or make a conceptual explanation to the CSSWG and ask review 14:08:52 ... without a pull request 14:09:13 ... but we need to confirm the thing we together discussed last time actually works 14:09:25 ... and not just in theory, but in practice implementable too 14:10:09 addison: OK, and is this reflected in 5478? 14:10:23 florian: there is no update to the spec yet, but there is a comment in the CSS issue 14:11:13 present+ Bert 14:11:31 #16 14:11:32 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips) due 1 Jan 2024 14:11:45 #11 14:11:46 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 -> Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal) due 18 Jul 2023 14:12:41 florian: fantasai, do you think #11 is something we could do on Monday afternoon in the June meeting? 14:12:47 fantasai: maybe 14:12:59 agenda? 14:13:24 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:13:24 agendum 3 -- Info Share and Progress Reports -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:13:51 florian: you probably have noticed, but we did published the Ruby Markup spec as a WD 14:14:23 ... I'm working with the team to auto publish the WD sync from the ED 14:14:32 ... that's mostly set up, but not quite 14:15:06 ... given that Kindle is one of the impls, being able to confirm that it's true would be nice 14:15:26 ... because without Kindle, we have one impl of the rb feature and tabular makrup and it's Firefox 14:15:32 ... Kindle is the second one 14:15:51 ... we might get others in the future, but as far as I know today, Kindle is the second one 14:17:18 ... I want to run the tests and to write the test report and to say "look I have 17 tests and they pass in Firefox and it's a bit more of a hassle to make them pass and to make them run in Kindle, but when you do, they pass as well" 14:21:27 rrsagent, make minutes 14:21:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:25:17 florian: I have a question related to ruby 14:25:26 discussion at ruby-t2s-req for Zaima -> https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/issues/41#issuecomment-1935213725 14:25:27 https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/issues/41 -> CLOSED Issue 41 Proposed Subsections for Zaima Annotation (by dyacob) 14:25:57 ... does anyone here have a plan to review it in details with the intent to propose some amount of editorial changes and therefore I should wait for that? 14:26:14 ... my expectation is that nobody here will find anything suprising 14:26:34 fantasai: did you issue all of the review requests? 14:27:00 florian: not yet, I was planning to get the automated publishing thing in place fully first and then do that 14:27:30 fantasai: I'm not sure there's a dependency in that direction, you can just file all the requests 14:27:59 ... are we planning to do a leveling spec for this? 14:28:22 florian: I'm considering that it might be the best path forward, I wouldn't call it a plan yet 14:28:26 fantasai: OK 14:28:36 ... does the shortname have a number in it? 14:28:43 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:28:43 agendum 4 -- Review on-going issues -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:28:44 florian: don't think so 14:29:23 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1768 14:29:24 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1768 -> Issue 1768 [css-text-4] move "balance | stable | pretty" out of text-wrap (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:css-text] [i:line-breaking] [t:typ_misc] [Agenda+I18N+CSS] [wg:css] 14:29:42 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9102 14:29:43 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9102 -> CLOSED Issue 9102 [css-text-4] move "balance | stable | pretty" out of text-wrap (by frivoal) [css-text-4] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG Resolution] [i18n-tracker] [Tested] 14:30:00 florian: specwise it's closed 14:30:21 ... my understanding is that Google shipped something earlier and they haven't fixed since 14:30:47 ... they initially pushed back against changing this and then we reached the compromise 14:31:26 fantasai: send an email directly to Chris Harrelson 14:31:33 ... before it's a web compat problem 14:31:45 addison: OK 14:31:54 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/530 14:31:54 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/530 -> Issue 530 Characters to skip for emphasis marks (text-emphasis) #839 (by r12a) [close?] [s:css-text-decor] [needs-attention] [i:text-decoration] [type-info-request] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq] [klreq] [needs-resolution] 14:31:54 … [t:typ_text_decoration] [Agenda+I18N+CSS] [wg:css] [i:emphasis] 14:32:04 rrsagent, make minutes 14:32:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:32:11 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/839 14:32:11 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/839 -> CLOSED Issue 839 [css-text-decor] Characters to skip for emphasis marks (text-emphasis) (by fantasai) [css-text-decor-3] [css-text-decor-4] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG Resolution] [i18n-needs-resolution] [i18n-jlreq] [i18n-clreq] 14:32:35 > This was discussed in this call and Florian drew an action to alert CSS to warichu. It's still unclear if there was follow up with Unicode. Shuffling labels to make it visible to I18N in January. 14:33:32 https://www.w3.org/2023/09/27-i18n-minutes.html 14:35:06 addison: follow up with Unicode and ask them to make a list of things that don't get emphasis skip? 14:35:28 florian: it's a classic problem where we have some very specific CSS feature about typographical things 14:35:43 ... and one aspect of it ends up being a list of Unicode characters 14:36:09 action: addison: ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) 14:36:16 Created -> action #99 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 14:36:16 ... and it always feels wrong that we're the one maintaining this because it might break when Unicode updates 14:37:26 [Discuss the process of Unicode] 14:42:28 Topic: AOB? 14:44:02 zakim, make minutes 14:44:02 I don't understand 'make minutes', addison 14:44:05 rrsagent, make minutes 14:44:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:44:14 rrsagent, make minutes 14:44:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/21-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:44:20 zakim, who is here? 14:44:20 Present: Fuqiao, Addison, Elika, Florian, Atsushi, Bert 14:44:20 On IRC I see atsushi, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, eemeli, florian, Bert, hsivonen, gb, fantasai, xfq, Mek, csarven, koji, alastairc, astearns, Rachael, hadleybeeman, cwilso, 14:44:20 ... agendabot 14:44:23 zakim, bye 14:44:23 leaving. 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