13:55:11 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:55:15 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-irc 13:55:26 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:55:33 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:55:43 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240516T150000/ 13:55:43 clear agenda 13:55:43 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:55:43 agenda+ Action Items 13:55:46 agenda+ Info Share 13:55:48 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:55:50 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:55:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-minutes.html addison 13:55:55 agenda+ Is the string-meta explainer finished? 13:55:55 agenda+ needs-attention issue review 13:55:58 agenda+ Ruby-t2s-req as a DNOTE? 13:56:00 agenda+ AOB? 13:56:16 present+ Addison 13:56:21 regrets+ JcK 14:02:10 scribe+ xfq 14:03:22 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:03:22 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:03:24 agenda? 14:03:45 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:03:45 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:03:58 #97 14:03:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/97 -> Action 97 add explainer to next week's agenda (on aphillips) due 2024-05-16 14:04:08 close #97 14:04:10 Closed -> issue #97 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/97 14:04:12 #96 14:04:13 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02 14:04:25 #93 14:04:25 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25 14:04:40 #90 14:04:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 14:04:58 #89 14:04:59 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 14:05:11 #87 14:05:12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04 14:05:21 #79 14:05:22 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:05:28 Najib has joined #i18n 14:05:38 #78 14:05:39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:05:50 #43 14:05:51 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18 14:06:14 #33 14:06:15 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:06:35 #12 14:06:35 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:06:45 close #12 14:06:47 Closed -> issue #12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 14:06:53 #8 14:06:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:06:57 #7 14:06:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:07:10 #4 14:07:10 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:08:01 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:08:01 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:08:21 addison: Ben Allen from Igalia 14:08:25 ... new member 14:08:48 ... if you need anything, don't suffer and be silence 14:09:36 Ben: what got me interested in i18n in the first place is I was annoyed in my 1st semester intro to programming class 14:09:56 ... when people couldn't do introductory assignments involving use of their own name 14:10:14 ... because the number of chars in their name would get counted wrong 14:10:27 ... I've been on TC39-TG2 for 1.5 years now 14:10:39 ... I just need to get to know the W3C side 14:11:09 r12a: I've been in the W3C for 21 years 14:11:46 Bert: I've been in the W3C for a very long time 14:12:00 ... I've been doing CSS, HTML, XML, some privacy stuff 14:12:05 ... a lot of different things 14:12:54 atsushi: I'm from Japan 14:13:06 ... working in several WGs 14:13:17 ... and the Japanese task force 14:13:22 xfq: I'm Fuqiao Xue 14:13:32 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:13:32 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:13:38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 14:13:45 ... W3C Staff, Internationalization Lead since January this year 14:13:57 ... joined the W3C in 2017 14:14:04 ... based in Beijing, China 14:14:10 addison: Addison Phillips 14:14:18 ... chair and IE of the group 14:14:20 benallen has joined #i18n 14:15:10 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:15:10 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:15:10 rrsagent, make minutes 14:15:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:15:18 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending 14:15:46 agenda? 14:16:02 zakim, take up agendum 8 14:16:02 agendum 8 -- Ruby-t2s-req as a DNOTE? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:16:12 addison: there was an email from fantasai 14:16:26 ... about converting one of Murata-san's document into a draft note 14:16:30 https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/ 14:16:37 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2024May/0002.html 14:16:38 ... there were a couple of emails on our member list about it 14:17:22 atsushi: I have no additional info other than Murata-san shared in the email 14:17:32 ... he's working on this and will finish it 14:18:28 xfq: @@1 14:18:39 ... we can wait Murata-san to work on it 14:18:47 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:18:47 agendum 6 -- Is the string-meta explainer finished? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:18:49 addison: anything else on that? 14:18:56 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md 14:19:05 addison: see ^ 14:19:25 addison: is this document done or does it need more work? 14:20:10 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md#if-i-have-direction-metadata-how-can-i-make-use-of-it-in-apis-or-display-frameworks-are-there-apis-that-use-this-metadata 14:20:12 ... ongoing work to convert the API reference section to an article 14:20:45 r12a: there's a piece of text with a brown background 14:20:52 ... is it supposed to be like that? 14:21:01 addison: because it's not really JSON 14:21:13 ... because we have "..." 14:22:13 r12a: it looks like the document is broken 14:22:51 xfq: maybe you can use three three backticks in a row, without 'json' after it 14:23:02 ... for the fenced code blocks 14:23:14 addison: yeah, that would get rid of the brown 14:24:57 https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?item=4&dir=rtl 14:25:19 ... there was a thread somewhere about the Arabic text 14:25:22 ... sent by Najib 14:25:33 xfq: it's about another page, but the text is probably the same 14:26:52 addison: if you go down underneath References, you'll see very small little numbers and text 14:27:03 ... those are footnotes in Markdown 14:27:20 ... I could convert these to just plain links 14:27:27 r12a: it would be a lot easier 14:27:42 ... because you've got the same kind of numbering going on in References 14:27:55 ... that doesn't look terribly prominent' 14:28:00 s/prominent'/prominent 14:29:40 xfq: the API reference section will be removed once we have the article, right? 14:29:50 addison: yeahk, we'll probably have a link to the article 14:29:58 ... rather than maintaining it in 2 places 14:31:48 xfq: the Chinese and Japanese examples also link to the "Bidirectional Text Demo" page 14:32:03 addison: yes, it should select the correct font there 14:32:59 xfq: maybe we should rename the "Bidirectional Text Demo" page to something more general 14:33:12 ... because it also demonstrates non-bidi text 14:33:35 addison: maybe we call it "string-meta demo" 14:34:01 agenda? 14:35:39 雪, 刃, 直, 令, 垔 (Japanese) 14:35:39 雪, 刃, 直, 令, 垔 (Simplfied Chinese) 14:35:55 r12a: the first line is Japanese 14:36:01 ... Kaku Gothic 14:36:09 ... the second is PingFang 14:36:20 addison: that's your system 14:36:50 ... the Markdown has 14:37:15 ... your browser should demonstrate the difference between the chars visually based on the language selection 14:37:30 ... my browser does a decent job 14:39:00 https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index.en.html 14:39:11 https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index.en.html#text_processing 14:42:09 [Discuss SC/TC/Japanese font selection] 14:44:57 action: richard: fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases 14:45:04 Created -> action #98 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 14:45:05 xfq: https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index-data/codepoints#fig_ja_zh_fonts uses zh instead of zh-Hant 14:45:09 q+ 14:45:19 ... but it should use zh-Hant instead 14:45:33 ack Najib 14:45:39 HI 14:45:41 If necessary, action on me to provide a new text for the Arabic example. 14:46:02 It appears also elsewhere. 14:46:03 yes, please: did you already do that in the issue with richard? 14:46:18 ? 14:46:28 action: najib: provide new arabic example text for explainer 14:46:29 Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe najib is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions? 14:47:55 May be 14:48:14 action: ntounsi: provide new arabic example text for explainer 14:48:15 Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe ntounsi is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions? 14:48:23 I already had actions 14:49:37 Please go ahead. 14:49:54 agenda? 14:50:52 zakim, take up agendum 9 14:50:52 agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:51:12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/550 14:51:13 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/550 -> Pull Request 550 Update the titles of the techniques page (by xfq) 14:51:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:52:33 xfq: see the PR ^ 14:53:40 addison: it looks weird to me to have an article with non-title case title 14:54:28 https://w3c.studio24.net/docs/proposed-site-map-v2/#sentence-case-for-navigation-labels-and-headings 14:56:21 addison: I don't care that much, but I think it looks weird 14:56:43 r12a: well, only if you're volunteering to change all of the article titles 14:57:10 addison: I'm not volunteering to do any work on this ;-) 14:58:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:59:06 present+ Bert, Ben, r12a, xfq, atsushi 14:59:13 rrsagent, make minutes 14:59:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-i18n-minutes.html xfq 15:01:50 Najib has left #i18n