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11:52:10 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11:53:05 <rashmi> Agenda+ To further discussing about Proposal 13 about enhancing Findability
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11:53:34 <Lisa> present+
11:53:42 <rashmi> Agenda+ To discuss editorial changes needed(wordsmithing) for proposal 9
11:54:20 <rashmi> Agenda+ To discuss editorial changes needed(wordsmithing) for proposal 10,
11:54:51 <rashmi> Agenda+ To discuss editorial changes needed for proposal 11
11:54:57 <rashmi> Present+
11:57:16 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
11:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa
11:57:36 <Lisa> agenda?
11:57:51 <Lisa> close item 4
11:57:55 <Lisa> close item 5
11:58:00 <Lisa> close item 6
11:58:59 <Lisa> scribe+ lisa
12:00:03 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit
12:00:16 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/IRC,_scribing_and_running_meeting
12:00:52 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
12:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa
12:02:55 <rashmi> zakim, next item
12:02:55 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- To further discussing about Proposal 13 about enhancing Findability -- taken up [from rashmi]
12:07:50 <Lisa> john and tifany not here
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12:10:54 <Lisa> John can you join zoom?
12:11:04 <Lisa> we wanted to toalk about findability
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12:12:52 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
12:13:05 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-2-help-users-find-what-they-need
12:13:20 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-2-help-users-find-what-they-need-0
12:13:45 <Lisa> (user need and design guided)
12:14:24 <Lisa> new stuff is at  Reference Material related to Proposal 13
12:14:24 <Lisa> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.eb2omtphzb6>
12:14:24 <Lisa> about
12:14:46 <Lisa> Note-Here 39,40, and 42 are row numbers in Mental Health Literature Review
12:14:46 <Lisa> (Responses) sheet
12:14:46 <Lisa> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268>
12:14:46 <Lisa> 40
12:14:46 <Lisa> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268>
12:14:46 <Lisa> - Key Variables for Effective eHealth Designs for Individuals with and
12:14:46 <Lisa> Without Mental Health Disorders <https://www.jmir.org/2021/3/e23137>
12:22:58 <Lisa> lisa did review of what is in content useable
12:23:05 <Lisa> rashmi going over new matrial
12:23:37 <Lisa> Text suggestion:
12:23:37 <Lisa> Some types of content are easier to use with a flatter design. However if there are a huge number of pages and categories a hierarchy can be easier.
12:23:37 <Lisa> Test the hierarchy of the site.
12:23:37 <Lisa> Can users find the page they need?
12:23:39 <Lisa> Is it better to have a flatter design or more logical hierarchy for your content ?
12:23:46 <Lisa> sometimes the levels are good
12:24:15 <Lisa> to add to 4.3.2
12:24:58 <Lisa> john: you can still chank information in a flat design
12:25:03 <Lisa> chunk
12:25:27 <Lisa> alows search in the page
12:25:49 <Lisa> rather the changing pages
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12:26:10 <Lisa> depends on the content
12:26:29 <Lisa> lisa: 1. always chunk the subtopic, clear visaly way
12:26:45 <Lisa> heading stucture
12:27:08 <Lisa> if heading s are done
12:28:16 <kirkwood> present+
12:28:51 <kirkwood> goal: to avoid “a wall of text”
12:33:40 <Lisa> elements of flat design are the issue but not wi is the more minimlistic design
12:34:22 <Lisa> move away from sugesting avoind flat design and say:
12:34:32 <Lisa> chunck content
12:35:08 <Lisa> with good visual quies
12:35:17 <Lisa> 2.  avoid “a wall of text”
12:35:55 <Lisa> visual cuse or background or higheraky
12:36:10 <kirkwood> principles of a minimalist approach of flat design can be very good for cognitive load
12:36:39 <Lisa> balance less sections and how many steps
12:37:34 <Lisa> each group on a page is one spone. so have 6 clear groups, which one cognive spone each is ok. Then you reset and select from anoth 6.
12:38:37 <Lisa> onther aporuch is to have 6 expanadable menus . so long as they done add spones by disapring or requit=re an action to stay open that also takes a cognive spoon
12:42:37 <Lisa> john: things that are persistent such as a top menu. u can tune out
12:43:46 <Lisa> lisa: If the designhelps you tune out other section, you can reset your spones in the section you are looing at
12:44:19 <Lisa> a gray backgrou  footer is both persistent and difrent backround, making it easy to tune out
12:45:03 <Lisa> john: user knows they dont need to remember what is there because they know it starys there
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12:48:01 <Lisa> john: attendaion blind where you can filter out things out of focus
12:48:46 <Lisa> people who cnat shut if off may need only 4 sponce no chucking but more steps
12:49:09 <Lisa> john: heading stucture helps
12:49:17 <Lisa> ai will help
12:50:29 <Lisa> maybe a workshop in rewritng the findability pattersn how to do it way.
12:51:27 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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12:53:06 <kirkwood> findability workshop to incoprorate principles be clear on cognitive needs for findability
12:53:52 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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12:55:34 <kirkwood> foundational principles: memory, processing speed and understanding
12:57:12 <Lisa> using chunking, color and visual colors, know familure icons and design patterns etc.
13:01:51 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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13:01:59 <Lisa> Clear agenda
13:02:20 <Lisa> topic editors meeting
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13:02:46 <julierawe> present+
13:04:05 <julierawe> Hi, Lisa, can we talk about the COGA style guide?
13:04:40 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18rqamyGgYF1DAUHLhsXmR20FtN9AQSaPc9zpFNN1xgM/edit#heading=h.527yvnol81gl
13:11:41 <julierawe> Sure, we can move or remove whole first section. I only included it because that info was on this page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/List_for_final_edit#General_editorial
13:12:59 <julierawe> Lisa, can you share the link for this other resource you just mentioned? I do not know which doc you're talking about.
13:23:52 <kirkwood> impairment
13:24:36 <julierawe> Lisa, can you share the link to the google doc you're looking at right now?
13:24:53 <julierawe> "Specific edits for content usable"
13:25:12 <kirkwood> we avoided ‘challenges’ because challenges puts the burden on the person  is the thought in US
13:26:07 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5xiuYG2IYBP7vgS5FSzOPJ1NtJdPRSckpY6tt3n9IE/edit#heading=h.scarh4ao7h7m
13:26:56 <kirkwood> US English or UK English ?
13:27:02 <Lisa> us english
13:29:13 <rashmi>  Making the text of hyperlinks as explicit as possible reduces cognitive effort for people, for example , with severe mental illness(SMI),Schizophrenia
13:29:55 <julierawe> Split in two sentences before "for example."
13:30:30 <Lisa>  Making the text of hyperlinks as explicit as possible reduces the cognitive load.
13:32:00 <Lisa> This helps many groups with cognitive and mental health impaints including people living with  severe mental illness (SMI) and schizophrenia.
13:34:39 <Lisa>  Making the text of hyperlinks as clear as possible reduces the cognitive load.
13:35:07 <kirkwood> https://www.plainlanguage.gov/guidelines/concise/write-short-sentences/
13:36:22 <kirkwood> 15-020 words average
13:41:15 <kirkwood> Here’s a nice digestible presentaton: https://www.plainlanguage.gov/media/training/plainlanguage_and_webwriting.pptx
13:41:36 <rashmi> thats awesome John,Thanks for sharing
13:44:30 <kirkwood> “On the web, no single sentence should be longer than 25 words.
13:44:31 <kirkwood> Use short paragraphs with ONE topic sentence that develops ONE idea.”
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