IRC log of wot-uc on 2024-05-15

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10:58:58 [kaz]

meeting: WoT Use Cases

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbatos

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chair: Mizushima

11:02:04 [kaz]

agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240515.md

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q+

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q-

11:05:48 [luca_barbato]

scribenick: luca_barbato

11:06:05 [luca_barbato]

topic: Minutes

11:06:38 [kaz]

regrets+ Ege

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present+ Michael_McCool

11:08:47 [luca_barbato]

s/Minutes/Logistics

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11:09:24 [luca_barbato]

miz: I'd cancel the 5th June call, since I'll be in vacation

11:10:17 [luca_barbato]

[[[

11:10:21 [Tomo]

[No changes from the previous plan on 8 May 2024

11:10:21 [Tomo]

May-15: Fix Github Issue template using YAML and Initial discussion on Requirements Template

11:10:21 [Tomo]

May-22 and May-29: Fix basic Functional Requirements Template

11:10:21 [Tomo]

June-12 and June-19: Fix basic Technical Requirements Template

11:10:24 [luca_barbato]

]]]

11:10:40 [luca_barbato]

miz: Any objection for the next meeting plans?

11:11:09 [luca_barbato]

<no objection>

11:11:30 [luca_barbato]

topic: Minutes

11:11:38 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-uc-minutes.html May-9

11:11:42 [kaz]

s/9/8/

11:14:12 [luca_barbato]

miz: Anything to change for the past minutes?

11:14:21 [luca_barbato]

<nothing to change>

11:14:31 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Discussion point

11:14:48 [luca_barbato]

[[[

11:14:55 [Tomo]

Github issue template using YAML

11:14:56 [Tomo]

confirmed the YAML-based template includes all the content from the MD-based template.

11:14:56 [Tomo]

additional notes from old template are also included in YAML-based template.

11:14:56 [Tomo]

further improvement for the YAML template to be done using GitHub Issues and PRs

11:14:57 [Tomo]

Question about the need for submitter's email address (discussion to be continued)

11:14:57 [Tomo]

RESOLUTION: While not required for submission of a use case for consideration, the email of the submitter should be requested and recorded before a use case is published in case followup is necessary. These emails will be kept private and only used for communication on the use case.

11:15:01 [luca_barbato]

]]]

11:15:23 [luca_barbato]

miz: Anybody wants to add additional discussion points for today?

11:15:57 [luca_barbato]

<all agree>

11:16:37 [luca_barbato]

topic: Fix YAML-based issue template

11:17:09 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Issue #281

11:17:25 [luca_barbato]

q+

11:18:04 [luca_barbato]

lb: the issue is closed because the new issue template addresses it?

11:18:08 [luca_barbato]

miz: Yes

11:18:17 [kaz]

i|the issue|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/281 Issue 281 - Mention Possibility of External Submissions via Issues|

11:18:23 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

11:18:26 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

11:18:28 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz

11:18:35 [kaz]

ack lu

11:18:40 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Issue #288

11:18:56 [luca_barbato]

miz: mm found some typos

11:19:48 [luca_barbato]

miz: I fixed them with the PR #292

11:19:53 [Tomo]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/292

11:20:37 [luca_barbato]

miz: is it ok to merge?

11:20:47 [luca_barbato]

<all agree>

11:21:19 [luca_barbato]

q+

11:23:09 [luca_barbato]

lb: Would be good to always use rebase-and-merge so we keep the history linear

11:23:16 [luca_barbato]

mm: No objection

11:23:37 [kaz]

q+

11:23:58 [kaz]

ack lu

11:25:18 [luca_barbato]

kaz: I'm all also ok with rebase-merge

11:25:43 [luca_barbato]

... We should suggest and make it a policy

11:26:06 [luca_barbato]

mm: We can discuss it in the main call, but we can use it on the UC task force for now

11:26:45 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Issue #289

11:26:54 [Tomo]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289

11:27:11 [kaz]

s/rebase-merge/rebase-merge, but also ok with ordinary merge for this PR since it's not problematic/

11:27:27 [luca_barbato]

miz: I agree we have multiple lists of stakeholders and we should keep a single list

11:28:13 [luca_barbato]

mm: The security TF has the most developed list, but the current usecases is using the other list, so if we pick the Security one we need to update the names in them

11:28:26 [kaz]

s/We should suggest and make it a policy/If we want to use rebase instead of merge, probably we should discuss that during the main call and suggest we use rebase for clearer log as our policy./

11:28:47 [luca_barbato]

miz: Iuca created a PR to address the UI concern

11:28:53 [kaz]

s/Iuca/Luca/

11:29:19 [luca_barbato]

mm: Would be nice to link to the Security guideline with the description of the other stakeholders

11:29:29 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289 Issue 289 - [UC Template] Stakeholders|

11:29:31 [luca_barbato]

... let's compare the two lists

11:32:10 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-security/#wot-threat-model-stakeholders WoT Security Note - 3.2.1 WoT Primary Stakeholders

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q+

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ack k

11:32:50 [luca_barbato]

mm: <shows the lists for Security and Architecture>

11:33:05 [kaz]

q+

11:33:26 [kaz]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new?assignees=&labels=UC&projects=&template=sample-usecase-template.yml&title=Add+new+use+case%3A+%3Ctitle%3E

11:33:46 [luca_barbato]

https://github.com/lu-zero/wot-usecases/issues/new?assignees=&labels=UC&projects=&template=subsection-test.yml&title=Add+new+use+case%3A+%3Ctitle%3E

11:34:02 [luca_barbato]

mm: Can we see a preview

11:34:37 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new?assignees=&labels=UC&projects=&template=sample-usecase-template.yml&title=Add+new+use+case%3A+%3Ctitle%3E|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new?assignees=&labels=UC&projects=&template=sample-usecase-template.yml&title=Add+new+use+case%3A+%3Ctitle%3E Preview|

11:34:40 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz

11:34:55 [kaz]

q+

11:36:42 [kaz]

q?

11:36:50 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd rather have a checklist with a link for each item to their description

11:37:07 [luca_barbato]

lb: Ok, can be done

11:37:43 [luca_barbato]

kaz: We should try checkboxes we can try it, for the link to the definitions we can do that later

11:40:02 [luca_barbato]

lb: Checkboxes can be implemented via https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/syntax-for-githubs-form-schema#checkboxes

11:40:46 [kaz]

s/We should try checkboxes we can try it/Given McCool suggested we use checkboxes within his original Issue, we should try checkboxes as the style/

11:41:00 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz

11:42:28 [kaz]

q?

11:42:30 [kaz]

ack k

11:42:46 [luca_barbato]

lb: I'll update the PR later today

11:44:21 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz

11:44:29 [luca_barbato]

miz: Luca will change the PR while Michael will provide the links with the definitions and the up to date list

11:46:17 [kaz]

subtopic: Issue 286

11:46:29 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/286 Issue 286 - [UC Template] "Submitter" should indicate Real Name(s)

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q+

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ack k

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q+

11:48:51 [luca_barbato]

kaz: Since Ege is unavailable we can discuss the PR next week

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ack k

11:49:18 [luca_barbato]

... and We can address the problem with emails and Real Names separately

11:49:33 [luca_barbato]

mm: Agreed

11:49:48 [kaz]

q+

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ack k

11:50:58 [luca_barbato]

mm: I can comment on Ege PR right now

11:51:16 [kaz]

i/I can/kaz: how to proceed with this issue?/

11:51:23 [kaz]

i/how to/scribenick: kaz/

11:51:31 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Issue #287

11:51:34 [kaz]

i/I can/scribenick: luca_barbato/

11:51:54 [luca_barbato]

miz: I agree with Michael opinion

11:52:15 [kaz]

i|I agree|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/287 Issue 287 - [UC Template] "What to be done?" is ambiguous|

11:53:24 [kaz]

q+

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ack k

11:54:07 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'm updating the order in the issue

11:54:39 [luca_barbato]

kaz: If everybody is ok with that, we'll use that order

11:55:18 [luca_barbato]

lb: Since we all agree, I'd go with that order.

11:55:45 [kaz]

i|If eve|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/287#issuecomment-2112328535 McCool's comment|

11:55:49 [luca_barbato]

<everybody agrees>

11:55:57 [kaz]

[[ Summary, Why WoT, Gaps, Description ]]

11:55:57 [Tomo]

1. sumarry 2. Why WoT 3.Gaps 4.Description

11:56:04 [kaz]

s/[[ Summary, Why WoT, Gaps, Description ]]//

11:56:26 [luca_barbato]

miz: I'd close this meeting

11:57:03 [luca_barbato]

<adjourned>

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s/1. sumarry 2. Why WoT 3.Gaps 4.Description/1. summary, 2. Why WoT, 3.Gaps, 4.Description/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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