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14:02:21 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
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14:04:08 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
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14:04:38 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster
14:05:20 <cris> scribenick: cris
14:05:27 <cris> topic: Agenda
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14:05:35 <cris> ege: Agenda got a little bit shorter
14:05:56 <cris> ... we don't include PRs anymore they are hosted in the project table
14:06:11 <cris> ... reminder tomorrow is cancelled
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14:07:17 <cris> ... one organizational thing is about README update
14:07:21 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_15_2024
14:08:51 <kaz> q+
14:09:03 <cris> ... I created a PR that align the readme to the format
14:09:14 <cris> ... declared in the general template
14:09:34 <kaz> q-
14:09:45 <kaz> i/one orga/topic: README updates/
14:09:46 <cris> ... I removed a TAG review link
14:10:02 <cris> ... a note from July 2023
14:10:18 <cris> ... rename a section to Publications
14:10:29 <kaz> i|one orga|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2016 PR 2016 - Readme alignment|
14:10:41 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:10:42 <cris> ... one open point is the labeling convention which is not yet finished
14:10:44 <cris> q+
14:10:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:11:22 <kaz> i|one orga|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/599904d7f236893c8746f59de9b6290aeb5dcf32/README.md rendered README.md|
14:11:35 <cris> ack c
14:11:36 <dape> q+
14:11:36 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:12:01 <cris> cris: about the labeling conventions you can use the github page dedicated to list all the labels
14:12:27 <cris> ege: I want to mention categories and give more explanation later
14:12:58 <cris> dape: I didn't have time to review it before the call, there is a space missing
14:13:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:56 <kaz> q+
14:14:08 <kaz> ack d
14:14:09 <cris> kaz: good direction thank you
14:14:10 <kaz> ack k
14:14:22 <cris> ege: ok merged
14:14:55 <cris> topic: minutes review
14:15:05 <cris> ege: we already review them
14:15:10 <kaz> i|we|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-td-minutes.html May-8|
14:15:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:21 <cris> s/review/reviewed/
14:15:43 <cris> ege: any objections?
14:15:50 <cris> ege: none, minutes approved
14:15:59 <cris> topic: TD errata
14:16:47 <cris> ege: we had a resolution in the main call to remove the script in the html file
14:16:57 <cris> ... if you go to the errata.html file
14:17:25 <cris> ... you can fine at line 11 12 to scripts that we will remove
14:17:32 <cris> s/line/lines/
14:18:35 <cris> ... see the related issue
14:18:57 <cris> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2019
14:19:30 <cris> topic: toolchain discussion
14:19:57 <cris> ege: last week we talked about the toolchain and to create a short round of people to work on it
14:20:28 <cris> ... currently we are Mahda, Cris, Luca, Jan and myself. If you want to join we are using the TD zoom call
14:20:41 <cris> ... we noticed some issues and did some fixes
14:20:45 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2019|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2019 Issue 2019 - Removing errata rendering scripts|
14:21:11 <cris> ... typescript generation does not really work
14:21:23 <cris> ... json schema generation is broken too
14:21:42 <cris> ... we are working on this issues
14:22:16 <cris> topic: binding note review
14:22:30 <cris> ege: last week I've sent an email with a call for review
14:22:53 <cris> ... in the main call we confirm the resolution to publish the binding Templates
14:22:56 <kaz> q+
14:23:01 <cris> ... the review is until next week
14:23:05 <cris> ... right?
14:23:18 <cris> kaz: asked to McCool for confirmation
14:23:39 <cris> ege: following up on this, daniel created one issue
14:23:46 <cris> ... please create them now
14:23:49 <cris> ... don't be afraid
14:25:19 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/#fig-mechanism figure 2 from Binding Templates
14:25:29 <cris> ege: it seems that the second point mentioned in the issue is not a problem
14:25:47 <cris> dape: right I was wrong
14:26:05 <kaz> i|following|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/364 Issue 364 - Figure Improvement and minor bug|
14:26:11 <kaz> q+
14:26:45 <cris> kaz: given we have already sent the call for review (and made the resolution in the main call) we should let people know about the change
14:27:01 <cris> ege: sure we mentioned it in the changelog
14:27:10 <cris> kaz: but also sending a email
14:27:12 <cris> ege: ok
14:29:00 <cris> topic: Thing Description
14:29:32 <cris> ege: we can remove a bunch of draft items
14:30:03 <cris> ege: last we week we identified a set of issues to fixed quickly
14:30:12 <cris> ... they are all under the in progress column
14:30:32 <cris> ... try to do the work when you have time
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14:30:42 <cris> q+
14:31:30 <dape> q+
14:31:31 <kaz> q-
14:31:35 <cris> cris: with this layout is not easy to understand if a issue is ready for revie
14:31:38 <kaz> ack cu
14:31:39 <kaz> ack c
14:31:43 <cris> s/revie/review/
14:31:43 <kaz> ack d
14:31:54 <cris> dape: can't we use draft PRs for that?
14:32:13 <cris> ege: they show in the column with a different color
14:32:22 <dape> ack dape
14:32:25 <kaz> -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80/views/1 WoT TD Project
14:32:26 <cris> ... but we should not see PRs in that column
14:32:29 <cris> ... only issues
14:32:38 <mjk> q?
14:33:10 <cris> dape: they can be useful to understand if the work is done or not
14:33:23 <cris> ege: yeah.. but it duplicates items
14:33:45 <mjk> q+
14:33:47 <cris> ... I would be fine to have another column and keep everything on the issue level
14:34:07 <cris> mk: done will just keep getting bigger and bigger
14:34:15 <kaz> q+
14:34:18 <cris> ... the in-review column is even more helpful
14:34:32 <mjk> ack m
14:34:35 <cris> ... things will not be reviewed right-away
14:35:02 <cris> ... we can even remove done or rename it in-review
14:35:17 <cris> kaz: done means merged in closed so I agree that is really helpful
14:35:23 <kaz> ack k
14:35:39 <cris> ege: ok then just delete the done column and add in-review
14:39:28 <cris> subtopic: Issue 1878
14:39:42 <cris> ege: this editorial change
14:39:53 <cris> ... it fixes some of html ids
14:40:03 <cris> ... in the examples
14:40:21 <cris> ... there should be no real diff
14:40:43 <kaz> i|this edi|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1878 Issue 1878 - Wrong id for a security example|
14:41:10 <kaz> i|this edi|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2015 PR 2015 - refactor: use proper ids for examples in Multiple Security Definitions|
14:41:14 <cris> dape: I also double checked if there was some reference to that id
14:41:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:41:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:41:28 <cris> ... I couldn't find any
14:42:23 <cris> ... merged
14:42:53 <cris> ege: noticed that the project is not updated correctly when you close the issue
14:43:22 <cris> ... I'm adding a new workflow for automation
14:43:40 <cris> ... but it seems I can't remove the card automatically
14:43:49 <cris> ... I can only move them to a column
14:44:04 <cris> ... I'm adding a done column that is not visible in the view
14:44:21 <kaz> s/a column/a column ("Done" column with hide setting)/
14:44:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:44:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:44:43 <cris> subtopic: issue 1957
14:45:11 <cris> ege: the PRs removes the titles in the ontology files
14:45:25 <cris> ... id in title
14:45:45 <kaz> i|the PRs|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1957 Issue 1957 - title reference is not correctly linked|
14:45:49 <cris> ... we don't have a solution for 1.1 and 1.0
14:46:06 <cris> ... we can't change the id because it will break the link
14:46:19 <kaz> i|the PRs|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2014 PR 2014 - remove title id from static files|
14:46:22 <luca_barbato> q+
14:46:23 <cris> ... is it fine ?
14:46:49 <cris> luca: I would consider that the main part is that respec has a bug.
14:47:03 <cris> ... it is something that should be fixed in respec
14:47:06 <kaz> i|the PRs|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2013 Issue 2013 - Holistic id definition rules|
14:47:18 <cris> ... for the PR itself, removing the id after the fact, for now it is fine
14:47:33 <cris> ... but respec needs to be fixed and somebody needs to open an issue in there
14:47:38 <cris> ege: agree
14:47:46 <cris> cris: +1
14:48:05 <JKRhb> q+
14:48:23 <cris> ege: what should we record in the issue?
14:48:31 <JKRhb> q-
14:48:44 <JKRhb> q+
14:48:47 <cris> luca: respec should understand that the context of the ids
14:48:48 <dape> q+
14:48:54 <cris> ege: it is not respec
14:49:01 <cris> ... it is our tooling
14:49:20 <cris> ... the problem is the toop level title generated by respec
14:50:20 <cris> luca: understood, then respec should try to be smart
14:50:27 <JKRhb> q-
14:50:40 <cris> ack l
14:51:35 <JKRhb> q+
14:51:53 <cris> dape: I would open an issue with two options: respec check for coflicts/collisions and at least emit a warning (or even generate a new id)
14:51:59 <cris> ... or it could autofix it
14:52:09 <cris> ack d
14:52:26 <cris> jan: Or maybe you can add a configuration option to manually find it or generate it
14:52:43 <kaz> q+
14:53:58 <kaz> ack j
14:54:00 <kaz> ack k
14:54:00 <cris> kaz: id=title is required by the CSS for recomendation, you can also use the html validator
14:55:10 <cris> s/id=/class=/
14:55:50 <cris> ege: the validator actually find the problem
14:55:56 <cris> ... we should have used it before publication
14:57:19 <Ege> q?
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14:57:58 <cris> ege: ok pr merged
15:00:14 <cris> subtopic: Issue 1885
15:00:33 <cris> cris: I got some ghost changes, shoud I remove them?
15:00:37 <cris> ege: yes
15:01:09 <cris> ege: looking good
15:02:05 <cris> subtopic: Issue 1818
15:02:18 <cris> ege: we are overtime I'll look into it after the call
15:02:30 <cris> jan: great, I put one or two questions in the PR body.
15:02:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:02:58 <cris> [ajourned]
15:09:39 <kaz> i|I got some g|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1885 Issue 1885 - Documenting that td-context-1.1.jsonld refers to JSON-LD spec version|
15:12:27 <kaz> i|we are over|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1818 Issue 1818 - Better explain difference between observable properties and events|
15:12:30 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:12:36 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
15:12:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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