11:58:15 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:58:19 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-irc 11:59:21 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:02:12 dezell has joined #wot 12:02:19 mjk has joined #wot 12:03:02 present+ David_Ezell 12:04:19 mm has joined #wot 12:05:19 matsuda has joined #wot 12:06:14 q+ 12:06:26 q- 12:06:56 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, David_Ezell, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:07:02 chair: McCool, Koster 12:07:06 regrets+ Sebastian 12:07:48 q+ 12:08:13 Topic: Invited Expert application 12:08:26 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#15_May_2024 12:08:28 kaz: not ready yet 12:08:31 dape has joined #wot 12:08:42 s/yet/yet but will contact them/ 12:08:44 topic: minutes from May 8 12:08:58 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html May-8 12:08:58 mm: any objections? 12:09:15 ... no objections, minutes to be published 12:09:30 toipc: Quick Items 12:09:46 q+ 12:10:04 mm: IG charter still in AC review, expect to be active later in May or Early June 12:10:12 q+ 12:10:23 topic: Errata 12:10:37 mm: defer until Ege joins 12:10:53 mm: any notices? 12:11:10 subtopic: meetups 12:11:23 q- 12:11:28 rrsagent, make log public 12:11:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:11:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:11:42 mm: May 16 CG meeting with Solid 12:11:55 s/Solid/Solid CG 12:12:06 i/not ready/scribenick: mjk/ 12:12:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:12:16 mm: WoT JP CG undates: 12:12:19 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:12:23 mizushima: no updates 12:12:55 subtopic: holidays and availability 12:12:56 q+ to remove first 3 lines for cancellations 12:13:35 ack dape 12:13:35 dape, you wanted to remove first 3 lines for cancellations 12:13:54 s/and availability/,availability, and cancellations 12:15:35 mm: (review schedule items) 12:15:45 q+ 12:16:06 ack k 12:16:24 kaz: Will have some unavailability in early June, will add a note with dates 12:17:45 q+ 12:17:49 topic: Publications 12:18:45 mm: there is a binding templates not for publication 12:19:05 proposal: Confirm the TD TF resolution to publish an updated WG Note for Binding Templates base on the current ED version: https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 12:19:14 kaz: Ege sent out a 2 week notice 12:19:24 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2024May/0001.html Ege's all for Review 12:19:38 mm: any objections to the resolution on the table? 12:19:59 mm: no objections noted 12:20:29 resolution: Confirm the TD TF resolution to publish an updated WG Note for Binding Templates base on the current ED version: https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 12:20:32 kaz: there is still a 2 week notice period, but the resolution is ready to publish 12:20:35 s/2 week notice/2 week notice based on the discussion last week/ 12:20:49 s/not for/Note for/ 12:20:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:20:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:21:02 mm: resolution accepted 12:21:35 topic: TF leads needed for Security and Discovery 12:21:38 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:21:45 topic: JSON Schema 12:22:07 ege: no update yet, waiting to hear from W3C 12:22:37 q+ 12:23:00 ege: there are comments from WoT members and JSON Schema members 12:23:47 ack k 12:23:51 kaz: Will talk with Philip Gregory and put on the agenda for the call on the 30th 12:23:59 Ege has joined #wot 12:24:07 https://landscape.json-schema.org/ 12:24:09 s/Philip Gregory/Philippe Le Hegaret/ 12:24:40 s/for the call on the 30th/for the Strategy Team call/ 12:26:02 topic: Errata 12:26:13 s/Errata/Errata - revisited/ 12:26:55 q+ 12:27:30 mm: we discussed the issue last week. We wanted to make it more deliberate, less automated 12:27:54 ege: we should be careful when using labels that trigger automation 12:28:54 ege: we need to change the procedure to use text [POSSIBLE ERRATA] in the issue name instead of a label 12:29:04 q? 12:29:09 ack e 12:29:37 ... Then a label will be added by the responsible Task Force 12:30:12 ... and we will remove the script so the document will be updated manually 12:30:34 s/document/issue and label 12:30:45 q? 12:30:48 q+ 12:30:59 ege: each task force will need to copy the procedure 12:31:16 ... once we agree, we will create a policy document 12:31:32 mm: agree, we could use the script if it's manually triggered 12:31:35 q+ 12:31:37 q? 12:31:43 ack m 12:32:33 q+ 12:33:17 kaz: OK with this procedure but we should write the policy document 12:33:43 ... and we should disable the automation 12:34:17 ege: should the automation be disabled for all documents? 12:34:21 s/disable the automation/avoid misusage of "Errata" label and disable the automation/ 12:34:30 mm: for all WoT deliverables 12:34:30 proposal: Disable the automatic errata mechanism for all WoT WG REC Deliverables while an errata policy is being decided. 12:34:44 q+ 12:34:53 ack k 12:34:55 ack m 12:34:56 ege: that looks good 12:35:23 kaz: make sure the current Errata is included in the new system 12:35:58 proposal: Disable the automatic errata mechanism for all WoT WG REC Deliverables while an errata policy is being decided. Ensure that current errata have not been deleted or modified by the automatic mechanism and rectify if necessary. 12:36:24 Ege has joined #wot 12:36:36 mm: will create a separate resolution for the new policy when it is ready 12:36:42 resolution: Disable the automatic errata mechanism for all WoT WG REC Deliverables while an errata policy is being decided. Ensure that current errata have not been deleted or modified by the automatic mechanism and rectify if necessary. 12:36:43 ... any objections? 12:36:49 .. approved 12:37:26 topic: F2F planning 12:38:58 mm: 2 meetings to plan, TPAC in Anaheim CA and our WoT F2F in Munich WoT@Industry 12:39:33 mm: maybe more people would be interested in the WoT F2F than TPAC 12:39:37 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning F2F wiki 12:39:56 interested/interested in attending physically 12:39:56 q+ 12:40:38 mm: (review time slots for TPAC remote participation) 12:41:35 q+ 12:41:51 Friday means saturday morning in japan btw 12:42:07 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/GroupsTPAC2023/results 12:42:55 kaz: this might be useful 12:44:07 ... we created wiki entries for the participation 12:44:25 mm: there is nothing there and it's due on May 20th 12:45:24 kaz: Thursday looks possible 12:45:56 mm: how many people should we estimate? 5 or 10? 12:46:25 ege: From Siemens there will be at best one person 12:46:43 [[ FYI, 14:00 Anaheim is 23:00 CEST, 6:00 JST ]] 12:47:00 mm: myself, Kaz, and Sebastian probably 12:47:30 mm: do we want to do joint calls, what are the conflicts 12:48:21 ege: there will be a JSON Schema breakout 12:48:42 q+ 12:48:46 ack e 12:48:52 ... probably won't need a call with JSON-LD 12:49:59 kaz: Also RDF-star 12:50:43 s/Also RDF-star/Also RDF-star. They'll meet at TPAC./ 12:50:45 kaz: RDF-Star will meet in person 12:51:03 s/They'll meet at TPAC.// 12:51:29 mm: RDF-Star is to support property graphs 12:51:55 q- 12:52:05 q+ 12:52:27 mm: would a joint meeting with Solid be useful? 12:52:45 ege: depending on the result of the CG meeting on the 16th 12:52:47 https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/377 12:53:08 q- 12:53:09 q+ 12:53:25 q+ 12:53:29 mm: we could schedule a call at some other time, no need to load the TPAC schedule 12:55:15 q- 12:56:02 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning 12:56:05 dezell: Added to the wiki, was it in the right place? 12:56:17 ... there were no other entries 12:56:26 kaz: that is the correct URL 12:56:37 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:57:17 mm: will publish something on Monday 12:57:46 subtolic: WoT@Inuustry 12:58:15 mm: proposing Monday as open day to drive engagement 12:58:52 ... looks like November 25th-27th 12:59:07 s/27th/29th 12:59:51 mm: we could split the venue between Siemens and Microsoft 13:00:05 q+ 13:00:11 ... please update the wiki and let us know your participation 13:00:19 cris has joined #wot 13:01:11 dezell: the wiki still has some incorrect dates 13:01:20 mm: will update and correct 13:02:26 mm: we're planning a virtual F2F in June, discuss next week 13:02:35 mm: any other business? 13:03:16 ege: TD sub-task force meetings invitation 13:03:23 mm: adjourned 13:04:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:22:54 kaz has joined #wot 13:34:00 JKRhb has joined #wot 13:34:12 JKRhb has joined #wot 13:34:12 ryuichi has joined #wot 13:34:12 Ege has joined #wot 13:34:12 dezell has joined #wot 13:34:12 luca_barbato has joined #wot 13:34:12 ktoumura has joined #wot 13:34:12 benfrancis has joined #wot 13:37:41 JKRhb has joined #wot 13:37:41 ryuichi has joined #wot 13:37:41 Ege has joined #wot 13:37:41 dezell has joined #wot 13:37:41 luca_barbato has joined #wot 13:37:41 ktoumura has joined #wot 13:37:41 benfrancis has joined #wot 14:04:26 dape has joined #wot 15:00:13 Zakim has left #wot 15:07:00 TallTed has joined #wot 15:13:53 bigbluehat has joined #wot 15:51:19 gkellogg has joined #wot 17:45:01 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:00:24 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:18:46 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:35:06 gkellogg has joined #wot 18:56:50 gkellogg has joined #wot 19:15:28 gkellogg has joined #wot 19:35:19 gkellogg has joined #wot 20:33:09 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:05:48 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:25:01 gkellogg has joined #wot 21:47:53 gkellogg has joined #wot 22:06:13 gkellogg has joined #wot 22:43:34 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:09:16 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:25:34 gkellogg has joined #wot 23:43:54 gkellogg has joined #wot