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14:55:27 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:55:28 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:55:42 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
14:55:58 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:56:28 <Fazio> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
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14:56:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #107 Definition of "Full maturity" needs to be adjusted, as there is no need to optimize anymore by then
14:56:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
14:56:58 <gb> /issues/107 -> #107
14:56:58 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
14:57:19 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension
14:57:42 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github #156 Issue Section 3.5: proof points should consider whether people with disabilities actually were included in the workforce as a result of the efforts made.
14:57:42 <gb> /issues/156 -> #156
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15:02:20 <janina> present+
15:02:29 <jkline> present+
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15:02:43 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:02:43 <Zakim> Present: janina, jkline, NehaJadhav
15:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see jkline, janina, Mark_Miller, NehaJadhav, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, gb, kevin, alastairc
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15:04:27 <jkline> scribe+
15:04:40 <NehaJadhav> scribe+
15:05:02 <jkline> zakim,next item
15:05:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:07:18 <NehaJadhav> jkline presented work in one of presentation in Austin, IAAP is also working on maturity model.. Need to check that work
15:09:12 <NehaJadhav> Fazio IAAP working on smart city maturity model and not on web accessiblity - 4 years back update
15:11:58 <NehaJadhav> zakim, next tiem
15:11:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next tiem', NehaJadhav
15:12:04 <NehaJadhav> zakim, next item
15:12:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:12:52 <NehaJadhav> no update from scoring group
15:12:54 <NehaJadhav> zakim, next item
15:12:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, NehaJadhav
15:13:01 <NehaJadhav> zakim, close item
15:13:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', NehaJadhav
15:13:07 <NehaJadhav> zakim, close this item
15:13:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:13:08 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:08 <Zakim> 3. Github Issue #107 Definition of "Full maturity" needs to be adjusted, as there is no need to optimize anymore by then [from Fazio]
15:13:08 <gb> /issues/107 -> #107
15:13:11 <NehaJadhav> zakim, next item
15:13:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issue #107 Definition of "Full maturity" needs to be adjusted, as there is no need to optimize anymore by then -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:13:43 <Fazio> Github Issue #107 Definition of "Full maturity" needs to be adjusted, as there is no need to optimize anymore by then
15:14:08 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/107
15:14:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/107 -> Issue 107 Definition of  "Full maturity" needs to be adjusted, as there is no need to optimize anymore by then (by jake-abma)
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15:14:16 <jkline> present+
15:18:33 <NehaJadhav> Mark_Miller Optimization is the continuous process so it should be optimizing/ optimal. It is not completed, still there can be something to improve
15:19:20 <CharlesL> q+
15:19:35 <NehaJadhav> ack CharlesL
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15:20:16 <NehaJadhav> CharlesL We need to work on changing stage names
15:20:26 <jkline> present+
15:21:41 <NehaJadhav> janina we should reject issue and close it
15:22:28 <Mark_Miller> You are not complete when you are fully mature. In the fully mature stage, you should have processes in place to continue optimization. Optimal implies optimization does not continue.  CMMI defines the final level of maturity as:
15:22:28 <Mark_Miller> Maturity Level 5: Optimizing
15:22:28 <Mark_Miller> Stable and flexible. Organization is focused on continuous improvement and is built to pivot and respond to opportunity and change. The organization’s stability provides a platform for agility and innovation.
15:24:35 <Fazio> Close issue 107 with comment: A maturity Model is a continuum, there is no end point. The Task Force has decided to keep the term optimize, as it suggests an ongoing effort without an end point.
15:25:12 <NehaJadhav> RESOLUTION: Close issue 107 with comment: A maturity Model is a continuum, there is no end point. The Task Force has decided to keep the term optimize, as it suggests an ongoing effort without an end point.
15:25:39 <NehaJadhav> zakim, next item
15:25:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:25:39 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
15:25:51 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154
15:25:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? (by jasonjgw)
15:27:53 <NehaJadhav> Dr_Keith there is already a way to add proof points
15:28:34 <NehaJadhav> janina It is a good thing to add measure of support effectiveness
15:29:24 <NehaJadhav> Jeff : It is not saying to add standard but to include it
15:30:42 <NehaJadhav> Jeff: It is mentioned in one of the proof point
15:40:15 <NehaJadhav> Jeff : we should find a way to include this measure to include
15:40:39 <NehaJadhav> A long discussion of proof points and outcomes and their mapping
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15:43:52 <stacey> present+
15:47:02 <NehaJadhav> q?
15:47:03 <janina> q?
15:59:00 <NehaJadhav> RRAgent, make minutes
15:59:10 <Fazio> please make minutes
15:59:18 <Fazio> oh thx
15:59:20 <NehaJadhav> RRAgent, make the minutes
15:59:37 <Fazio> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-maturity-minutes.html Fazio
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16:53:34 <janina> zakim, bye
16:53:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, jkline, NehaJadhav, stacey
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16:53:40 <janina> rrsagent, bye
16:53:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items