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12:58:26 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JMcSorley
12:58:34 <JMcSorley> chair: Jan_McSorley
12:58:50 <JMcSorley> Meeting: Internationalization Accessibility Community Group
12:59:13 <JMcSorley> date: 15 05 2024
12:59:46 <JMcSorley> zakim, clear agenda
12:59:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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13:02:31 <Lisa> agenda+ meeting muinits
13:02:47 <Lisa> scribe: Lisa
13:03:05 <JMcSorley> meeting minutes from 05/01/2024: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TeGEsD1JVf7L9bFW3_e7YTnqtmUnpTldJhD6N16ElAU/edit?usp=sharing
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13:03:24 <Lisa> agenda+ Review meeting time preferences
13:03:44 <Lisa> agenda+ Review the process for identifying internationalization needs for COGA Patterns
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13:03:59 <Lisa> agenda+ Review the draft description and mission of the group and discuss the process for turning this into a group charter.
13:04:08 <MURATA> present+
13:04:10 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
13:04:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-global-inclusion-minutes.html Lisa
13:04:35 <Lisa> present +
13:04:59 <Philipp> present +
13:05:08 <Lisa> last weeks muinits are at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TeGEsD1JVf7L9bFW3_e7YTnqtmUnpTldJhD6N16ElAU/edit
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13:07:56 <Lisa> Lisa, we also want to use auto captions on zoom so people can use auto translate
13:08:36 <Lisa> discusion on scedule with difficalt of getting people in diffrent sides of the world
13:09:06 <Lisa> Makutos sucgestion on changing the time every 6 month so people can participate somethimes
13:10:08 <Lisa> looking at times survey
13:11:14 <Lisa> none are all green
13:13:06 <JMcSorley> time survey: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UENV2-WYkzdsodaMM2xgSNxVO1K1YG1W6ToHn-wFaYI/edit?usp=sharing
13:14:09 <Lisa> Japan is very important
13:14:11 <Lisa> q+
13:14:17 <JMcSorley> present+ JMcSorley
13:15:26 <Lisa> Option 1: Decide on one meeting time that is convenient for most members and stick with that consistent time for all meetings. One downside to this option is that some members will always be inconvenienced by having to meet at night.
13:15:26 <Lisa> Option 2: Stick to the schedule of two meetings per month, but hold the meeting on the 1st Wednesday of the month at a time that is convenient for people in Europe and hold the meeting on the 2nd Wednesday of the month at a time that is convenient for people in Asia. The same agenda items will be discussed at both meetings. One downside to this
13:15:26 <Lisa> option is that progress will be slowed because the same agenda has to be covered twice in a month. Also, voting might be more complicated
13:15:26 <Lisa> Option 3: Set up chairs in two parts of the world - one set that represents Europe/US and one group that represents Asia/US. The chairs will coordinate with each other to make sure they are covering the same agenda items, but they will hold meetings that are convenient for people in their respective time zones. Notes will be taken in English for
13:15:28 <Lisa> all meetings. One downside to this option is that you would never have a meeting where people from Europe and Asia are in a meeting together and you would have to rely heavily on thorough notes. Also, voting might be more complicated.
13:15:28 <Lisa> Option 4: Switch the meeting time twice a year. For 6 months, the time will be convenient for people in Europe and for 6 months, it will be convenient for people in Asia. The downside for this is that the time would not be consistent, so multiple notices would need to be made to help people understand when the time change would happen.
13:15:49 <JMcSorley> +1 for Option 4
13:15:55 <Lisa> option 4
13:16:03 <Philipp> +1 for Option 4
13:16:05 <MURATA> +1 for Option 4
13:16:41 <Lisa> q+ to say we should start with a Japan friendly time
13:17:30 <Lisa> any objections?
13:17:38 <Lisa> katie also says 4
13:17:52 <JMcSorley> Katy's having trouble with IRC - she voted in Zoom for Option 4
13:22:45 <Lisa> 6 month at current time. gives chance to recruit in eu. and then swithch to tokoyo friendly time.
13:24:25 <Lisa> makuto: this is relatively easy compared to other groups
13:24:40 <Lisa> keeping to current time until november
13:25:10 <JMcSorley> Propose meeting at 9:00 a.m. from May - September; November - April will find a different time. Please vote yes/no
13:25:14 <Lisa> +1
13:25:16 <JMcSorley> +1
13:25:17 <MURATA> +1
13:25:19 <Philipp> +1
13:25:38 <JMcSorley> Katy says +1
13:26:22 <Lisa> next item
13:26:30 <Lisa> close item 1
13:26:40 <Lisa> close item 1
13:26:45 <Lisa> q?
13:26:48 <Lisa> ack me
13:26:48 <Zakim> Lisa, you wanted to say we should start with a Japan friendly time
13:26:53 <JMcSorley> proposed process for reviewing COGA patterns: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_hPZNDHNEfwdS3CZsjki4FBOYx9cqArkYL4x4i8LJM/edit?usp=sharing
13:26:55 <Lisa> next item
13:27:00 <Lisa> close item 1
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13:27:03 <Lisa> next item
13:27:09 <Lisa> close item 2
13:27:15 <Lisa> next item
13:27:28 <Frankie> present+
13:27:48 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARdgFWjFQb2vOEDQkHYu24ociCeRMDF9xQhaMQgW1MA/edit?usp=sharing
13:28:28 <Lisa> spread sheet for content useable , what patterns are problem
13:28:54 <Lisa> everyone gets there own tab
13:29:13 <Lisa> todays minits are at
13:29:14 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-global-inclusion-minutes.html Lisa
13:29:39 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
13:29:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-global-inclusion-minutes.html Lisa
13:30:01 <Lisa> note coga still has an internationalization subgroup
13:30:34 <Lisa> there was some feedback
13:31:19 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/labels/i18n-needs-resolution
13:31:31 <JMcSorley> Lisa: There's a tracker for Internationalization, so if we can find issues that have internationalization concerns in GitHub, we can find their concerns
13:31:57 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/310
13:32:14 <JMcSorley> Lisa: COGA members copied issues into a spreadsheet because it was easier for us to work in a spreadsheet than in GitHub, and we thought issues were closed, but they were not
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13:32:42 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We just missed some things that were important for internationalization.
13:33:22 <Katy> present+
13:33:36 <JMcSorley> Lisa: For exampled - with tense, we used language in our guidance that would not work for all languages because we didn't understand those languages, so our guidance should have been more flexible.
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13:34:40 <JMcSorley> Lisa: text orientation is also important and we need to address it
13:35:00 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Reviewing patterns in COGA is not going to be enough - we also need to review the objectives.
13:35:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We tried to internationalize our personas, but we didn't do a good job - we did not do a good job of reflecting genuine experiences of people in different cultures and geographies.
13:36:27 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We also didn't address non-native speakers who might also have a learning disability
13:36:52 <JMcSorley> Lisa: People may have very different reasons for having difficulty with communication
13:37:21 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/labels/i18n-needs-resolution
13:37:31 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/310
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13:37:49 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/162
13:39:40 <Lisa> Jna: talk though the objectives
13:42:49 <Lisa> to get anyhing into wcag, 3.0 we have to have good tests
13:43:29 <Katy> Arabic, Chinese Mandarin, English, Hindi, Russian
13:45:36 <JMcSorley> Lisa: The purpose of coming up with different languages was to help us develop non-normative tests to help people with implementation of COGA recommendations
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13:47:59 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We need to add a section in the document on sensitivities to help us understand what may or may not be offensive in different cultures
13:50:20 <Lisa> and also sensitivities for coga and mental health
13:50:36 <Lisa> Jan- will add to our main google docs
13:50:44 <Lisa> getting started
13:51:05 <Lisa> and add links to all our other docs there as well
13:51:07 <Lisa> q?
13:54:28 <Lisa> Jan: should it be in googledocs or on the wiki ?
13:54:35 <Lisa> or both
13:54:59 <Lisa> katie: just one
13:55:24 <Lisa> philliep : one place - wiki is more findable
13:55:58 <Lisa> mukoto likes github, but others might not like it
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13:57:22 <Lisa> Jan: comunity wiki seems good place for people to find
13:57:31 <Lisa> q+
13:57:55 <Lisa> Phili: if we use googledocs make sure it is indexed on the wiki
13:58:06 <Lisa> Jna: draft document
13:58:12 <JMcSorley> draft purpose doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SgfzQMEd0MYydz6WoPBbuxx5CewjiUc5bsuu592uurI/edit?usp=sharing
13:58:13 <Lisa> pourpose doc
13:58:50 <Lisa> first attemp but we can change it, depends on the vote
13:59:05 <Lisa> next call 1st june
13:59:11 <Lisa> 5th june
13:59:33 <Lisa> please review beofre hand
14:01:42 <Lisa> lisa: action draft page for recuring with draft email
14:02:10 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
14:02:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-global-inclusion-minutes.html Lisa
14:05:44 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_coga-plan