12:02:57 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:03:02 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-irc 12:03:04 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:03:50 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:03:58 present+ Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:04:13 chair: Sebastian, McCool, Koster 12:04:36 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#8_May_2024 12:05:07 ScribeNick: Mahda_Noura 12:05:35 Topic: Minutes 12:05:42 scribenick: mahda 12:05:47 matsuda9 has joined #wot 12:06:01 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-minutes.html Apr-24 12:06:15 sebastian: I scanned the minutes in advance, no big issue, only a minor formatting, kaz could you please fix this 12:06:35 mjk has joined #wot 12:06:41 dezell has joined #wot 12:06:45 sebastian: any comments on the minutes? 12:06:48 (None) 12:06:52 present+ David_Ezell 12:07:05 approved 12:07:18 Topic: Quick Items 12:07:27 q+ 12:07:28 subtopic: IG Charter 12:07:48 sebastian: we can remove this first point as we have received the required votes for the IG 12:07:50 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wotig2024/results AC review results (member-only) 12:07:59 ...should we remove the entry point mentioned? 12:08:07 dape has joined #wot 12:08:23 kaz: IG charter base review was concluded recently and I would like to sumarrize the results 12:08:54 ...we got 24 supports and 1 comments, the only 1 comment was from Geonovum, she suggests we add a sensor registry 12:09:06 ... I will contact her 12:09:11 Tomo has joined #wot 12:09:18 ... we don't have any problems with the results 12:09:33 mm: the sensor registry and directory are the same 12:09:54 q- 12:09:56 q+ 12:09:57 subtopic: IRC Client 12:10:22 sebastian: there is some troubles with the new IRC, and that it frequently gets disconnected, how do we solve this situation? 12:10:39 s/new IRC/new IRC Web client/ 12:11:11 mm: I suggest we live for it to now, we can use the old version, the new version is annoying with connecting. Lets communicate this, and I suspect it will be a short term issue 12:11:37 dape has joined #wot 12:11:38 kaz: if you have a problem with IRC client give me the environment you are using, I can contact the system administration team 12:11:43 q+ 12:11:50 q- 12:12:00 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:12:14 dape: I just kicked out again, I didn't have an issue with the old one 12:12:16 q+ 12:12:18 ack d 12:12:23 ack dape 12:13:02 mm: I am guessing daniel has faster timing out, we should communicate this immediately with system team and so they increase the time out, and that they can relatively fix it easier 12:13:21 sebastian: probably it depends on the browser used 12:13:30 ack k 12:13:34 kaz: after the meeting let me know if you have issues 12:13:43 subtopic: Errata 12:13:55 sebastian: Ege can you please provide context here 12:13:59 Ege has joined #wot 12:14:33 present+ Jan_Romann 12:14:41 rrsagent, make log public 12:14:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:14:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:15:12 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description11/ WoT Thing Description 1.1 REC 12:15:31 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/errata11.html errata 12:15:32 Ege: In all our REC documents we have a link called Errata. We did not pay enough attention to the correct way of submitting an errata 12:15:45 q+ 12:15:56 q+ 12:16:18 ...we don't have the correct labels set, if we have that label this page has a script running and will automatically populate it 12:16:18 (sorry, network dropped on zoom) 12:16:32 s/(sorry, network dropped on zoom)// 12:16:40 ...first of all we should all be aware of this policy that we don't use 12:16:57 q+ 12:17:17 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008 12:17:26 ...the problem is that if we blindly follow this, all TD version erratas will pop up in this list 12:18:05 (on zoom again - but no audio or video - I've been having local network issues lately - annnnnd zoom just crashed again) 12:18:12 q? 12:19:09 s/(on zoom again - but no audio or video - I've been having local network issues lately - annnnnd zoom just crashed again)// 12:19:17 mahda has joined #wot 12:19:35 ack k 12:20:00 kaz: I agree with Ege to document the errata management policy 12:20:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:20:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:20:55 q+ 12:21:11 ack da 12:21:34 dape: I have two points, it is not sufficient to document the errata procedure and we need more work. Second point, we can easily drop this kind of mechanism, there is a script we can use, makes sense if we have many issues, but currently we do not have many erratas, we can currently edit the HTML. 12:22:10 q+ 12:22:25 ack k 12:22:26 mjk has joined #wot 12:22:28 kaz: I agree, and during the TD call I suggested that we should think about out errata management, and then think about how to resolve our problems with potential tools. Meanwhile we can update the errata document manually if needed 12:23:01 Ege: I am not proposing to fix the scripts, in any case we need to use the labels in Github correctly, because everyone can submit an errata 12:23:21 q? 12:23:22 sebastian: the TF leads can provide an errata, and not a random person? 12:23:25 ack e 12:23:26 q+ 12:23:35 Ege: W3C members can, not random persons 12:23:37 ack k 12:23:43 Kaz: that should be a good starting point 12:23:51 q- mm 12:24:08 sebastian: we still don't see Michael Mccool in the call back, due to network issues, so we skip his question for now 12:24:16 subtopic: TPAC Group Meeting 12:24:22 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2024JanMar/0044.html Events Team announcement (member-only) 12:24:45 sebastian: We need to decide wether we want to participate in TPAC meeting 12:24:51 q+ 12:25:10 ...we have to discuss how much time we need, and whether we want to go to TPAC 12:25:14 s/wether/whether/ 12:25:21 ... what to others think about this? 12:25:51 kaz: Thank you for the information. This year is a special year for W3C, because it's the 30 year anniversary 12:26:16 ...many people are wondering about extending the AC meetings, which means the meeting time for us could become shorter 12:26:52 sebastian: I would support to have a meeting, many companies still have travel restrictions, and my proposal is to do this in the same mode as we did in the last TPAC 12:27:09 q? 12:27:17 ...since TPAC will be held in US, meetings in the morning would be more suitable, we need to decide this 12:27:50 ack k 12:27:51 kaz: the deadline 20th May, by end of next week we need an initial availability of people. We can make a wiki page to check this 12:28:13 action: kaz to create a wiki page to get people's availability for TPAC 2024 12:28:21 sebastian: Kaz can you make this wiki page plaease to get an overview about who will be able to travel/remote 12:28:22 kaz: yes 12:28:35 Topic: Notice 12:28:51 sebastian: Currently no notices from my side, anything from the others? 12:28:56 (None) 12:29:00 Topic: Meetups 12:29:26 sebastian: yesterday there was a CG meeting regarding semantic digital twins from UPM 12:29:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:29:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:30:23 Ege: the slides will be available soon, the interesting part was about aggregation of things and having more relationships. The relevant feedback for us is how we do links. In a concrete TD example, it looked a bit weird and the TDs did not look that usual 12:30:38 ...next week we will be having the next one, about solid 12:30:54 sebastian: maybe we should invite Tim Berners Lee to the meeting 12:31:14 ...maybe we can discuss this in TPAC and in a breakout session 12:31:28 Topic: WoT Japaneese Community Group 12:31:34 i|yesterday|subtopic: WoT CG| 12:31:54 s|Topic: WoT Japaneese Community Group|subtopic: WoT JP CG| 12:31:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:32:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:32:18 ktoumura: we plan a use case event, we discuss about it in community groups but we haven't decided yet when the use case event will hold 12:32:26 sebastian: so you are looking for a date: 12:32:33 ktoumura: yes 12:32:40 s/ktoumura:/mizushima:/g 12:32:42 q+ 12:33:23 q- 12:33:23 sebastian: we were discussing a Node-Red WoT extension, it was from a Japaneese guy, maybe we invite him to the JP community group 12:33:59 Topic: Meeting schedule Changes 12:34:09 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations 12:34:24 sebastian: tomorrow there is a public holiday in Germany, no TD call 12:34:40 ...in May 20 and 30 there will be also a public holiday in Germany 12:35:08 ...this means no marketing call and TD call on May 9, and no marketting call on 20 May 12:35:22 Topic: Publication Schedule 12:35:52 Sebastian: Currently we do not have any new points here 12:35:59 subtopic: Publications 12:36:08 s/new points/updates/ 12:36:11 Ege: We agreed to publish a new WG note in the binding template 12:36:28 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/362 wot-binding-templates Issue 362 12:36:44 ...I prepared a pull request today and we will basically have a look at it in the TF, and have a 2 weeks resolution time 12:36:55 s/Issue 362/Issue 362 - New WG Note Publication/ 12:37:05 sebastian: please use the time to review the new note document so that we can publish the updates soon 12:37:10 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html#r01 TD TF resolution 12:37:15 Topic: TF Discussion 12:37:18 q+ 12:37:19 q+ 12:38:03 kaz: normally have a 2 week review time 12:38:15 Ege: I will send an email for the review meeting later 12:38:18 s/Topic: TF Discussion// 12:38:21 Topic: TF Discussion 12:38:23 q- 12:38:27 ack lu 12:38:49 subtopic: Profile 12:39:00 luca: we need more people to attend the profile meeting, so far we made a little progress, I hope that all the implementation details regarding Profile 1.0 get sorted 12:39:16 q+ 12:39:28 ...since you are organizing a plugfest soon, we would like to see how Profile in the implementation 12:39:51 s/how Profile/how Profile can work/ 12:40:07 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:40:10 Sebastian: Please take the chance to attend the discussion in the profile calls, if you have a conflict, please write Luca and maybe it's possible to find a new slot 12:40:21 cris has joined #wot 12:41:28 kaz: Call for participation, we should think how we organize the bigger issue on what the profile document should describe. I think having dedicated discussions during Profile calls or potentially during the meeting in June would make more sense instead of Github issues 12:41:43 ... we probably need Ben and Michael Legally 12:41:55 s/Call for participation/In addition to call-for-participation/ 12:42:04 s/think how/think about how/ 12:42:12 q- 12:42:15 Sebastian: If someone would like to take over the security and discovery calls, please write us and show the interest 12:42:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:42:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:42:27 Topic: JSON Scheme 12:43:13 s/Topic: JSON Scheme// 12:43:18 subtopic: Discovery and Security 12:43:46 sebastian: We are looking for new TF for security and discovery, the candidate should send an email, it will be discussed in May 22 12:44:05 Topic: JSON Scheme 12:44:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108#issuecomment-2082109340 Ege's input for the strategy issue 12:44:48 s/new TV/new TF leads/ 12:45:05 Ege: in the last weeks we agreed as the whole group about JSON Schema usage with WoT WG. The overall idea is that W3C allows us to reference JSON Schema as a normative document 12:45:07 s/May 22/May 22 main call/ 12:45:26 s/in the last weeks/during the previous meeting/ 12:45:28 ...a process document has been published, but we haven't received feedback from the W3C 12:45:45 s/previous meeting/previous meeting,/ 12:45:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:46:05 Topic: F2F Planning 12:46:31 sebastian: It was already communicated that we will postpone the WoT@Industry from June to November 12:46:50 ...there is two options, I will share a slide with you to see what we are planning 12:46:52 q+ 12:47:12 ...we need to select the best dates here, 18-20 Nov or 25-27th November 12:47:51 ...originally it was planned to go to Berlin, but now Siemens has a new building in Munich. The event organiser suggested lets use this place 12:48:28 ...showed some pictures of how the siemens location in Garching looks like, in the same building we can also hold a plugfest or a F2F meeting, or even both 12:48:51 ... there is also a good opportunity for hotels close by and it is relatively cheap 12:49:45 ...about the date, I would personally propose the 25-27th Nov, because it is close to Christmas and we have the opening of the Chriskindmarket 12:51:17 ...on 25th and 26th we can organize a plugfest, and 27th the WoT@Industry, we could also use the 28th and 29th for the F2F meeting 12:52:18 q? 12:52:21 ...if you would be nice if you already mark these dates as a potential travel time, and hopefully we can finalise the planning 12:52:27 ...any questions? 12:53:35 kaz: thank you for the information, I was about to create another wiki page for the TPAC and june meeting. We can reuse the F2F wiki page and add the june event and TPAC to it 12:53:44 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning 2024 WoT f2f planning wiki 12:53:51 q- 12:53:55 subtopic: Virtual WoT F2F in June 12:54:18 q+ 12:54:23 sebastian: would be nice to have a plugfest in June to speed up the work in the WG 12:55:13 ...we can already clarify two weeks before that 2 new features to the TD or prototyping the profile. we should discuss this here to speed up the progress. What do you think about this? 12:55:44 q? 12:56:17 kaz: I think holding a plugfest might make sense, but we should clarify our viewpoint, e.g., binding templates, profiles, or so on should be clarified 12:56:35 ...lets aks people to put their ideas on the wiki 12:56:37 +1 for kaz 12:56:50 q+ 12:57:01 s/aks/ask 12:57:33 ege: will the event be open to others outside? 12:57:35 q- 12:57:35 ack e 12:57:38 q+ 12:57:43 q+ 12:57:54 sebastian: can we welcome developers who are not member of the W3C 12:58:18 kaz: we can invite anybody, lets also put this also on the wiki as part of the idea generation 12:58:47 cris: it says it is a virtual event but also mentions physical? 12:59:08 q+ 12:59:19 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning F2F planning wiki 12:59:29 ack c 13:00:06 ack k 13:01:25 sebastian: completely remote, people who work close together can meet locally 13:01:39 q+ 13:01:43 s/locally/locally, though/ 13:01:46 Topic: TF Reports 13:02:06 Ege: there is a PR that needs to be merged, sync ontologies with the TD repository 13:02:16 s/TF Reports/WoT Resources/ 13:02:34 sebastian: are you asking for resolution in the main call? 13:02:48 ege: it is syncing the resources with the ontologies 13:02:51 i|there|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/pull/21 wot-resources PR 21 - sync ontologies with td repository| 13:02:58 sebastian: shall we postpone to next week? 13:03:02 ege: yes 13:03:14 [adjourned] 13:03:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:08:17 cris has left #wot 14:02:38 dape has joined #wot 14:06:17 JKRhb has joined #wot 14:13:03 dape has joined #wot 14:20:05 TallTed has joined #wot 14:48:26 q+ 15:07:23 bigbluehat has joined #wot 16:59:00 Zakim has left #wot