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12:56:35 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:56:43 <janina> meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:56:49 <janina> Date: 08 May 2024
13:01:14 <janina> Chair:  Matthew, Janina
13:01:14 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:01:14 <janina> Agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
13:01:14 <janina> agenda+ CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
13:01:14 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:01:17 <janina> agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:01:20 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:01:22 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:01:25 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:01:27 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned
13:01:30 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:01:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:01:36 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:02:47 <janina>  /join #rqtf
13:02:52 <janina> present+
13:02:55 <janina> scribe+
13:11:38 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:11:38 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:11:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Roy, gb, janina, slightlyoff, tink, ada, Rachael, cwilso, agendabot, jcraig
13:11:56 <janina> present+ scott
13:12:26 <janina> scott: Started adding content noting there are so many possible directions
13:12:41 <janina> scott: We'll need to scope re a11y
13:13:07 <janina> scott: working on identifying main players and how they're supporting pwd
13:13:37 <janina> scott: process is key -- have started notes on what would be beneficial
13:13:56 <janina> scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that
13:14:30 <janina> scott: some app environments do better than others with that
13:14:59 <janina> q+ to suggest users should be able to specify their preferred ai
13:15:10 <janina> present+ Raja
13:15:41 <janina> raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any way
13:15:56 <janina> scott: Could it help? Potentially
13:16:18 <janina> Oops!
13:22:13 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:22:13 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:22:28 <janina> 
13:22:35 <janina> zakim, bye
13:22:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, scott, Raja
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13:22:47 <janina> zakim, start meeting
13:22:59 <janina> zakim, start meeting
13:23:06 <janina> zakim, bye
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13:23:18 <janina> zakim, start meeting
13:23:18 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
13:23:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:23:29 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:23:36 <janina> Date 08 May 2024
13:23:42 <janina> < janina> scott: Started adding content noting there are so many possible directions
13:23:45 <janina> < janina> scott: We'll need to scope re a11y
13:23:48 <janina> < janina> scott: working on identifying main players and how they're supporting pwd
13:23:50 <janina> < janina> scott: process is key -- have started notes on what would be beneficial
13:23:53 <janina> < janina> scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that
13:23:55 <janina> < janina> scott: some app environments do better than others with that
13:23:58 <janina> < janina> q+ to suggest users should be able to specify their preferred ai * Zakim sees janina on the speaker queue
13:24:01 <janina> < janina> present+ Raja * Roy janina, I guess you are in wrong channel
13:24:03 <janina> < janina> raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any way
13:24:06 <janina> < janina> scott: Could it help? Potentially
13:24:08 <janina> 
13:24:26 <janina> Chair:  Matthew, Janina
13:24:26 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:24:26 <janina> Agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
13:24:26 <janina> agenda+ CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
13:24:26 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:24:29 <janina> agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:24:32 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:24:35 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:24:37 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:24:40 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned
13:24:42 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:24:45 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:24:47 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:24:59 <janina>  /join #rqtf
13:52:19 <janina> regrets: Niklas_Egger
13:55:11 <janina> present+
13:55:19 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:55:19 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:55:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Roy, gb, janina, slightlyoff, tink, ada, Rachael, cwilso, agendabot, jcraig
13:56:14 <janina> meeting
13:56:19 <janina> meeting?
13:56:26 <janina> meeting:
13:56:35 <janina> meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:56:46 <janina> Chair: janina, matthew
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14:00:27 <matatk> agenda?
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14:01:39 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
14:01:48 <Gottfried> present +
14:01:56 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 1
14:01:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:02:00 <Gottfried> present+
14:03:34 <NehaJ> scribe+
14:03:34 <Gottfried> Gottfried: Workshop on collaborative editing, https://ws-a11y-muc2024.wineme.wiwi.uni-siegen.de/
14:04:28 <janina> APA's Collaborative Tools work is here:
14:04:38 <janina> https://w3c.github.io/ctaur/
14:05:14 <Gottfried> ... CTAUR could be a good intro into the workshop
14:05:49 <Gottfried> janina: This document is close to publication. We need a wider community review.  Will probably be finalized in July.
14:06:49 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:06:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning Begins -- taken up [from janina]
14:06:59 <Gottfried> janina: We need to get a Wiki page started.
14:07:16 <matatk> q+
14:07:21 <Gottfried> ... Active request from media interest group.
14:07:33 <Gottfried> ... Revisit our minutes from last year. What do we want to achieve with them?
14:08:18 <Gottfried> ... We could talk about things such as AI
14:08:46 <NehaJ> q?
14:08:54 <janina> ack ma
14:09:11 <Gottfried> matatk: Deadline for us to tell organizers is looming.
14:09:52 <Gottfried> ... Break-out might be useful for dissemination of APA results.
14:09:55 <Fazio> present+
14:10:54 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:10:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192 -- taken up [from janina]
14:10:58 <matatk> gb, off
14:10:58 <gb> matatk, issues and names were already off.
14:11:19 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
14:12:05 <Gottfried> matatk: Peter Linz raised this issue.
14:12:23 <Gottfried> ... View transitions should be disablable
14:13:02 <Gottfried> ... The question is how to do this.
14:13:13 <Gottfried> ... Media query is for reduced motion, not "no motion".
14:13:35 <Fazio> ask that phd student that presented to us
14:13:55 <Gottfried> matatk: TAG discussed this.
14:14:40 <janina> q?
14:14:44 <Gottfried> ... Do we want to see a resolution to this issue? (Tag "a11y-needs-resolution")
14:15:16 <Gottfried> ... If i receive no objection, i will put that label on.
14:15:22 <Gottfried> (no objection)
14:16:08 <Gottfried> janina: Mechanism how to do this is not important for us.
14:16:13 <matatk> scribe+
14:16:26 <matatk> Fazio: Remember the presentation we had on Media Queries from a few years back: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples
14:16:57 <Gottfried> RESOLUTION: APA would like to see view transitions disablable.
14:17:13 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:17:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:17:22 <matatk> ack me
14:17:47 <Fazio> Thx Matt. It's a really goood presentation
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14:18:12 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:18:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:18:17 <janina> scribe+
14:18:26 <Fredrik> present+
14:18:44 <janina> topic: EAA and Ebook Requirements
14:20:25 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:20:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html janina
14:22:33 <NehaJ> Gottfried as per latest european a11y act says ebooks should follow WCAG 2.0
14:24:12 <janina> q+ to suggest we need to bring in epu a11y people for options based on what's achievable
14:24:23 <NehaJ> Gottfried WCAG 2.0 A level compliance discripancy between ebooks , pdf and epub
14:24:45 <NehaJ> Gottfried changes in the act may take longer time
14:25:21 <NehaJ> Gottfried goal is to comply with WCAG 2.2 AA
14:25:21 <PaulG> q+
14:25:58 <NehaJ> q?
14:26:42 <NehaJ> janina focus should be can we resolve this discripancy
14:26:51 <NehaJ> acj janina
14:26:54 <NehaJ> ack janina
14:26:54 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to suggest we need to bring in epu a11y people for options based on what's achievable
14:27:02 <Fazio> Turkey requires ebook accessibility for all new publications
14:27:19 <Gottfried> q+
14:27:20 <janina> q?
14:27:32 <janina> ack pa
14:27:32 <NehaJ> ack PaulG
14:28:46 <NehaJ> PaulG ebooks are covered under products section
14:29:18 <NehaJ> PaulG links for discripancy may be helpful to recheck
14:29:38 <NehaJ> janina links are added in email thread
14:30:33 <NehaJ> Gottfried EAA applies to b2c and not for b2b
14:31:39 <janina> Discussion on APA email list here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2024May/0006.html
14:31:47 <janina> q?
14:31:57 <NehaJ> ack Gottfried
14:33:24 <NehaJ> Gottfried point should be a11y standards should be same for epub and pdf
14:33:38 <Gottfried> ack Gottfried
14:34:19 <janina> q?
14:35:44 <Gottfried> Here is the exempt for ebooks:
14:35:46 <Gottfried> https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/enorm/mandate/587_en
14:36:08 <Gottfried> Document: https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/documents-register/detail?ref=C%282022%296456&lang=en
14:38:13 <Gottfried> page 2: "In line with feedback received from European Publishers and confirmed by representative organizations of persons with disabilities referring to the availability of EPUB accessibility technical specifications under W3C e-books and dedicated software should be excluded from this request."
14:38:59 <NehaJ> janina it is not correct as per WCAG
14:39:04 <Gottfried> scribe+
14:39:19 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:39:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:40:24 <matatk> s/it is not correct as per WCAG/that's not what W3C agreed to - my recollection is there was an exemption for small publishers only/
14:40:35 <Gottfried> Roy: Request for comments from CSS
14:40:44 <Roy> subtopic: [mediaqueries-5] `prefers-interaction-side` media query & `interaction-side` property
14:40:44 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10244
14:42:12 <Gottfried> PaulG: Very interesting read. Very specific use cases. Ultra-wide monitors, but proper JS eventing needed, because changing orientation is more complicated.
14:42:24 <Gottfried> ... If you have other use cases or ideas, should be added.
14:43:10 <janina> q?
14:44:00 <Gottfried> matatk: Operating systems and software have catered for ultra-wide monitors. MacOS, Unix, InkScape, ...  This needs to be supported in the native app. On the Web, we don't have that restriction.
14:44:41 <Gottfried> ... Scope creep?
14:45:07 <Gottfried> ... Long thread, but good diagrams.
14:46:27 <Gottfried> ... Two issues: (1) General preference of where the active controls should be. (2) Purposely reposition a toolbar due to preferences. Can we solve both issues with this?
14:46:51 <Gottfried> Zakim, next item
14:46:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:47:16 <Gottfried> Roy: Nothing
14:47:23 <Gottfried> matatk: There is something old.
14:47:34 <matatk> subtopic: Ethical Web Principles
14:47:35 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/75
14:48:03 <Gottfried> ... We got good feedback on privacy principles from TAG. Now focus on ethical web principles.
14:49:08 <Gottfried> ... Many ways of embodying these principles - more general.
14:49:30 <Gottfried> ... Let us know if you have feedback.
14:50:31 <Gottfried> ... For feedback, use our mailing list. We need to wrap this review up as quickly as we can.
14:50:49 <Gottfried> ... We are looking for high-level feedback.  Is there anything important missing?
14:50:57 <Gottfried> ... Let's talk about it next week.
14:51:37 <Gottfried> ... The UN recently mentioned the TAG's ethical web principles.
14:52:39 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
14:52:39 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:52:40 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:52:40 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
14:52:43 <Gottfried> agenda?
14:52:44 <janina> agenda?
14:52:54 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 10
14:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:53:17 <Gottfried> janina: Still activity of FAST tf.
14:53:42 <Gottfried> ... I will follow up on this with Michael Cooper.
14:53:46 <matatk> q+
14:54:01 <Gottfried> ... This is an area of ongoing interest - good to see this happen in the community group.
14:55:14 <NehaJ> q?
14:55:25 <NehaJ> ack matatk
14:56:33 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
14:56:33 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, matatk, Nichole, mike_beganyi, NehaJ, Gottfried, Fazio, Fredrik
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14:56:41 <Gottfried> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:56:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
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18:05:50 <janina> zakim, bye
18:05:55 <janina> rrsagent, bye
18:05:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items