13:34:36 RRSAgent has joined #adapt 13:34:40 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/05/07-adapt-irc 13:34:40 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:34:41 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina 13:35:01 Meeting: Adapt Task Force Teleconference 13:35:07 Date: 07 May 2024 13:35:41 agenda+Welcome and Announcements 13:35:57 agenda+WKD Options Demo -- Matthew 13:36:28 agenda+WKD Requirements Discussion with COGA Representatives 13:37:10 agenda+Other COGA requests of Adapt 13:37:22 agenda+Summary and Next Steps 13:37:31 agenda+Be done 13:57:11 Chair:Janina 13:59:37 Lisa has joined #adapt 14:00:18 matatk has joined #adapt 14:00:54 present+ 14:00:58 rrsagent, make minutes 14:01:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/07-adapt-minutes.html matatk 14:01:07 present+ 14:01:07 present+ 14:01:09 present+ 14:01:24 zakim, next item 14:01:24 agendum 1 -- Welcome and Announcements -- taken up [from janina] 14:01:59 scribe+ 14:02:22 People are joining, we are waiting for more participants ... 14:03:38 DavidSwallow has joined #adapt 14:05:07 Abhinav has joined #adapt 14:05:14 present+ 14:05:34 present+ 14:06:32 julierawe has joined #adapt 14:06:35 present+ 14:06:37 agenda? 14:06:47 zakim, take up item 2 14:06:47 agendum 2 -- WKD Options Demo -- Matthew -- taken up [from janina] 14:07:06 https://w3c.github.io/adapt/presentations/ac2024/ 14:07:37 Matthew is presenting ... 14:08:25 Notes this is a slightly different take from previous work on destinations ... Matthew will explain 14:15:17 zakim, next item 14:15:17 agendum 1 -- Welcome and Announcements -- taken up [from janina] 14:15:29 zakim, close this item 14:15:29 agendum 1 closed 14:15:30 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:15:30 3. WKD Requirements Discussion with COGA Representatives [from janina] 14:15:34 zakim, next item 14:15:34 agendum 3 -- WKD Requirements Discussion with COGA Representatives -- taken up [from janina] 14:15:52 lisa: Very good implementation, would love to see more 14:16:20 lisa: recalls first module, we didn't have the IETF spec to plug into 14:16:46 lisa: can it extend to things like "reach human help"?? 14:17:17 lisa: what's the right page for feedback? or dealing with getting stuck? 14:17:47 lisa: real value in adding more things so people get in the habit of things like Ctrl-P for print 14:18:10 lisa: Ctrl-H take me to help 14:18:12 q+ 14:19:03 lisa: notes that help is sometimes too much -- can we support smart help? 14:20:05 matatk: Wondering 14:20:18 david: Looks great--clear solution solving many problems 14:21:04 david: Wonders whether there's a problem of too much leeway so can become ambiguous 14:21:11 q? 14:21:21 q+ to ask about subsite home page 14:22:09 julie: great presentation, have been clicking through the demo site 14:22:14 https://github.com/SamsungInternet/wkd-prototype 14:23:01 julie: wonders about contact vs help? 14:24:05 matatk: Notes that wkd will be subject to review; notes original list came from COGA; our list is a list of POSSIBLE destinations 14:24:38 matatk: Not every site will support each available wkd; but if they have one, they CAN support it 14:25:52 where is the speck? 14:29:51 q? 14:29:56 ack ja 14:30:00 ack li 14:30:00 Lisa, you wanted to ask about subsite home page 14:30:23 lisa: Notes Ctrl-P is UA specific 14:30:31 lisa:would like help to be smart 14:31:39 lisa: asks to go back to coga before we lock in on terms 14:31:59 q? 14:32:16 lisa: we can coordinate time to have the keyword and the help conversations 14:32:36 lisa: wonders about page title 14:33:11 lisa: notes subsites of parent page is the plumbing issue 14:33:40 lisa: Content Usable will propose a way to go home vs subsite destination 14:34:01 q? 14:34:42 matatk: Notes Abhinav has raised some of these same issues; good to hear there's agreement on use cases 14:34:59 and maybe base it on the rest architecture 14:35:02 REST 14:35:02 matatk: Notes there's a current weakness in our IA here related to this 14:35:48 matatk: We're unclear what the ultimate engineering approach will be; though we like the idea here for now 14:36:40 matatk: Notes there's possibility of beginning of addressing simplification; but it's different and not supported in IETF approach 14:37:03 matatk: We need to be careful to think not of all potential tech, but of the use cases 14:37:32 matatk: Notes 75-80% feedback from AC was positive; but remainder had objections 14:37:50 matatk: Need to hear from COGA to respond appropriately to the objections 14:38:19 matatk: one implication of this approach is to request a list of wkd in one http roundtrip 14:39:15 matatk: But is that critical? From the page one is currently on? 14:39:32 matatk: Or can we forego that 14:39:35 q? 14:40:29 Lisa: How to show options for people if one doesn't do that? e.g. like bookmarks 14:41:24 lisa: concern to rank friendliness of site -- though not all that's needed, it's helpful to have this 14:42:30 matatk: Is this a COGA pre-identified need? But if there other nav requirements more important that we should address first? That's important for us 14:42:38 link to what this would be supporting : https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#support-a-personalized-and-familiar-interface-pattern 14:42:53 matatk: Notes this approach doesn't handle well: context; actions 14:43:13 matatk: This approach does destination brilliantly, but not the others 14:44:28 matatk: Also notes wkd are stateless; so Ctrl-P would not be a possibility from this approach 14:44:57 https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-8-support-adaptation-and-personalization-0 14:45:21 lisa: We could improve those hooks in our next rev 14:45:26 rrsagent, make minutes 14:45:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/07-adapt-minutes.html janina 14:46:23 matatk: Referrer page should be checked when help invoked 14:46:32 Q+ 14:46:46 matatk: Could help solve context help without new tech 14:47:01 q? 14:47:14 ack li 14:48:00 Lisa: Like help, can we pass other data e.g. preferred communication tech -- phone, email, text 14:48:29 Lisa: Would be OK if rev 2, but powerful to pass preferred mechanism 14:48:45 Lisa: It's something set once and remembered by UA 14:49:13 Lisa: Notes "help" is more than context, it's also I need a human, etc 14:49:41 Lisa: also to support feedback mechanism 14:50:19 Lisa: Critical to have those mechanisms 14:51:21 preferd mechanisim is realy important, email, phon,e chat etc 14:51:55 janina: Notes we can make a11y argument to include wkd so that WCAG and regs can require implementation to conform/comply 14:52:19 maWe need to satisfy ourselves that we will not block something we want very much by going down this road 14:52:31 feedback and reach a humen are two critical needs 14:54:18 janina: Restates need for incremental discovery vs full list from any site page 14:55:12 matthew: Discovery is an issue 14:55:25 lisa: That's why I mention titles -- 14:55:46 lisa: Say: "home page for my subsite is here" 14:56:51 matthew: we're committed to making this work and thanks all around! 14:57:20 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:57:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/07-adapt-minutes.html Roy_ 14:57:55 rrsagent, make minutes 14:57:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/07-adapt-minutes.html janina 14:59:55 zakim, bye 14:59:55 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, Roy_, Lisa, Abhinav, DavidSwallow, julierawe 14:59:55 Zakim has left #adapt 15:00:17 rrsagent, bye 15:00:17 I see no action items