IRC log of wot-td on 2024-05-02

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_2_2024
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present+ Ege_Korkan
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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present+ Mahda_Noura
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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present+ Mahda_Noura
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present+ Michael_Koster
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scribe: dape
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TOPIC: Organizational
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_2_2024 agenda for today
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SUBTOPIC: Draft minutes review
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-24
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EK: Any minutes updates ?
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... none -> approved
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-25
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EK: No request for changes
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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... approving minutes
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SUBTOPIC: Quick Schedule
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EK: Errata related
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https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008
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TOPIC: TD
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SUBTOPIC: Ontology errata
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s/SUBTOPIC: Quick Schedule//
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s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008||
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008 PR 2008 - Errata fixes
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q+
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present+ Luca_Barbato
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TOPIC: TD
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scribenick: dape7
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s/TOPIC: TD//
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EK: 2 PRs
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... https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008
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... https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2009
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rrsagent, make log public
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... both about ontology errata
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:14:35 [dape7]
EK: There is a process for the errata
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... there are issues labels and tracked by scripts
13:15:10 [kaz]
i|2 PRs|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2009 PR 2009 - Ontology publication folder synchronization|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:15:51 [dape7]
... script starts doing stuff .... since we are not using labels
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.... no difference between 1.0 and 1.1
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... we might need to fork script and filter on TD version
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q+
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q+
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EK: or render everything ourselves
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q+
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DP: Is there any downside when rendering ourselves ?
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EK: More work.. in case of multiple items
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CA: Wondering whether we can contribute back our updates
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... fork might not be the right choice
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... others would benefit
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EK: Good point
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... seems to be on GitHub
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ack dape7
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ack cris
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Kaz: Mechanism is not a rule or policy
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... rather best practices
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... should use errata labels for errata issues only to avoid confusion
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EK: one aspect is the technical solution
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... but everyone can add labels and we should be careful when using
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Kaz: We should remind everyone about the errata "mechanism"
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s/about/of/
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scribenick: kaz
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present+ Mahda_Noura
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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13:27:55 [kaz]
ek: ok
13:28:27 [kaz]
... btw, I tend to prefer option 3 or 5 for the next step
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... or option 1
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q?
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q-
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ack k
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kaz: btw, do you mean "generating the HTML manually instead of the JS using the Errata label"?
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ek: right
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s/label"?/label" by "create the rendered version ourselves"?/
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: ok
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... btw, it would be clearer to put "Opt." to 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, given you mean those are different options
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ek: ok
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... (and adds "Option" to each)
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2008#issue-2269027063 Ege's comment og PR 2008
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[ PR 2008 itself has been merged ]
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ek: will create another issue for the next step
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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chair: Ege, Koster
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subtopic: PR 2009
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2009 PR 2009 - Ontology publication folder synchronization
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ek: the link included in the Editor's draft doesn't work properly
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... but it's wrong to put the link within a HTML because the Web browser assumes "text/html" as the media type
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q+
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: could you clarify the point?
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ek: 2 separate URLs
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... one for Download and another for Open
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[[
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"value": "Download",
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"href": "https://w3c.github.io/wot-resources/td/v1.1/ontology/jsonschema.ttl",
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},
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{
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"value": "Open",
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"href": "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/wot-resources/main/td/v1.1/ontology/jsonschema.ttl"
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]]
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ca: maybe would be better to just have a link for "Download"
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... not a strong opinion, though
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q?
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ek: will add some description about the content negotiation mechanism to the Editor's Draft
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ack k
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s/Draft/Draft too/
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topic: Refactoring
13:45:56 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2010 PR 2010 - add binding appendix and fix respec erors
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-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/2010/cd6a178...715702f.html#toc diff
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q+
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kaz: ok with the PR itself. tx
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... let's continue further updates
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ek: right
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[ merged ]
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topic: Binding updates
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-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/ WoT Binding Templates ED
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ek: would suggest we publish an updated Note for WoT Binding Templates
13:50:14 [Ege]
proposal: Publish the current Binding Templates ED as a WG Note
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: I'm OK with the publication itself
13:51:53 [Ege]
proposal: Publish the current Binding Templates ED as a WG Note with the following changes: Adjust the changelog, direct people to the TD in the status section
13:53:05 [kaz]
s/itself/itself, but we should explicitly describe our plan to include the content into the TD spec within the Status section (and possibly the diff section) of the Note./
13:53:10 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:53:17 [Ege]
resolution: Publish the current Binding Templates ED as a WG Note with the following changes: Adjust the changelog, direct people to the TD in the status section
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topic: Project management
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/projects?query=is%3Aopen WoT TD Project
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ek: we've started to use the above Project (as a PoC)
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topic: Binding Templates
13:56:46 [Ege]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/354
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i/354/subtopic: PR 354/
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13:57:32 [cris]
+1 for mergining
13:57:34 [kaz]
s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/354|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/354|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/354 Delete context directory|
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: so we've changed the directory structure. right?
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ek: right
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[ merged ]
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subtopic: PR 356
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/356 PR 356 - fix: move context tag from Sequence/Choice to NamedMember
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q+
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kaz: this is a bug fix. right?
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ek: correct
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[ merged ]
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topic: AOB
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ek: we're done for today
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... we'll continue to discuss registry, errata, etc.
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[adjourned]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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q?
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q-
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/02-wot-td-minutes.html kaz