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12:35:11 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:35:27 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:35:33 <janina> Date 01 May 2024
12:36:18 <janina> Chair:  Janina
12:36:18 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:36:18 <janina> Agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
12:36:18 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
12:36:21 <janina> agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
12:36:24 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
12:36:27 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
12:36:29 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
12:36:32 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned
12:36:34 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:36:37 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
12:36:39 <janina> agenda+ be done
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12:58:15 <janina>  /join #rqtf
13:55:41 <janina> present+
13:55:46 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:55:46 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:55:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roy, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, janina, gb, slightlyoff, tink, ada, Rachael, cwilso, agendabot, jcraig
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14:00:18 <PaulG> present+
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14:01:13 <janina> regrets: Neha_Manik_Jadhav, Fredrik_Fischer
14:01:13 <Nichole> present+
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14:02:54 <matatk> scribe+
14:03:03 <janina> ~scribe+
14:03:13 <JenStrickland> present+
14:03:20 <JenStrickland> I can only attend for the first 20m
14:03:20 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:03:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:13 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2024Apr/0000.html
14:04:14 <matatk> janina: One announcement: CfC on adopting and publishing FPWD for Immersive CAptions CG report as a Note.
14:04:24 <matatk> q+
14:04:50 <janina> q?
14:05:02 <janina> ack ma
14:06:45 <matatk> matatk: One of our team members, Muadh (who was on this call a couple of months back) was wondering if they'd considered internationalization (i18n).
14:07:30 <matatk> janina: We'll be keeping in touch with the group, and have the standard process, which is to publish a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) to help us promote it, and seek comments.
14:07:47 <matatk> janina: RQTF has already read it and that's where we'd likely work on it in future.
14:07:55 <matatk> janina: Raja is engaged in this area.
14:08:09 <janina> q?
14:08:19 <janina> q?
14:08:27 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:08:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning Begins -- taken up [from janina]
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14:09:41 <matatk> janina: We need to declare our intentions wrt meetings by the 20th. We expect we will meet across the week. Already one expression of interest in meeting, from MEIG.
14:10:05 <matatk> janina: We committed to revise the MAUR to 2.0 - need to get funding for that work.
14:10:35 <matatk> janina: I tried to find funding for it, but haven't as of yet. Concerns/thoughts from all of you are welcome.
14:10:40 <janina> q?
14:10:47 <matatk> janina: Any comments/questions/ideas about upcoming TPAC and collab?
14:10:51 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:10:51 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:10:55 <matatk> gb, off
14:10:55 <gb> matatk, issues and names were already off.
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14:11:29 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:11:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:11:30 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:11:30 <Zakim> 4. HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
14:11:32 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:11:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:34 <alisa_smith> present+
14:11:44 <Roy_> subtopic:  [css-view-transitions] Users need to be able to disable view transitions
14:11:45 <Roy_> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10267
14:12:45 <JenStrickland> For the MAUR reference earlier, I found this link: https://github.com/w3c/maur/
14:13:02 <Roy_> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/886
14:14:35 <matatk> PaulG: This is similar to the page-level animations discussed last month. prefers-reduced-motion should limit or shut it off - if that's not mentioned here that's an important comment.
14:16:55 <matatk> PaulG: The second link is about Document Render Blocking, which is related, and I'll check will be covered similarly to View Transitions.
14:17:35 <JenStrickland> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10267
14:17:47 <JenStrickland> PaulG https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10267
14:19:19 <PaulG> I'm looking at https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7440 which has more info about this (not closed)
14:22:14 <matatk> matatk: So our answer to this is 'Yes!'
14:22:18 <matatk> JenStrickland: +1
14:22:21 <matatk> janina: +1
14:22:24 <matatk> PaulG: +1
14:22:33 <Roy_> subtopic: Use v2 context for the data-integrity
14:22:34 <Roy_> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/vc-di-bbs/pull/147
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14:23:07 <Fazio> present+
14:23:18 <JenStrickland> +1
14:24:19 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:24:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:25:35 <matatk> janina: RQTF doesn't have any concerns
14:26:09 <matatk> Paul raised an issue on our call last week: https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-apa-minutes#t06
14:26:34 <matatk> s/doesn't have any concerns/doesn't have any concerns about the TAG Privacy Principles/
14:27:43 <matatk> PaulG: It was around ensuring the most vulnerable have the same access and privacy protections.
14:32:16 <matatk> PaulG: There is a section, 1.2, about vulnerability. Doesn't mention disability specifically but it is good. I'll check whether my comments were addressed and follow up if need be.
14:32:29 <matatk> janina: It is a big document - maybe needs an index?
14:33:12 <matatk> PaulG: I'll probably come back to it - there is mention of 'additional' protections, but my point is that also the _standard_ ones need to be available to vulnerable people.
14:33:42 <matatk> janina: What's the timeframe?
14:36:23 <matatk> matatk: Need to sign off - if we are happy for it to be published - today.
14:36:47 <matatk> PaulG: It's a great document - but we need to make sure, e.g. that we don't end up with CAPTCHA 3.0 in the race to make things more private/secure.
14:37:27 <matatk> janina: We have an update pending to our CAPTCHA document from 2019.
14:37:44 <matatk> janina: Any objection to signing off on this, modulo the foregoing discussion?
14:37:57 <matatk> Fazio: No objection - doesn't WCAG 2.2 Accessible Authentication help here?
14:38:10 <matatk> PaulG: Specifically for auth yes, but the principles in this document are much wider.
14:38:20 <matatk> PaulG: Would like to borrow some of that language.
14:38:29 <janina> Q?
14:38:57 <matatk> PaulG: Access comes up in Transparency section; not Consent/Widthdrawl. Need to make sure that APIs developed are carrying appropriate data.
14:39:13 <matatk> Fazio: John Rochford was the main person on the accessible auth stuff - suggest connecting with him.
14:40:15 <Fazio> John Rochford is the point person for accessible authentication
14:41:07 <matatk> q?
14:41:13 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:41:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:41:23 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:41:23 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:41:24 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:24 <Zakim> 7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
14:41:25 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:41:26 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:03 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10244
14:42:29 <matatk> subtopic: prefers-interaction-side
14:42:56 <matatk> PaulG: This was posted in the accessibility Slack channel. I'd like to hear some feedback from the community.
14:43:50 <matatk> ... The concept is a media query that would allow specific controls to move from one side of the UI to another, for disability and preference reasons. Could be something like dark mode - widely used - but it's really for someone who struggles with controls on a specific side.
14:43:51 <matatk> q?
14:43:53 <matatk> q+
14:44:00 <matatk> ack me
14:46:05 <matatk> matatk: I was thinking about widescreen monitors and space wasted by toolbars on the top. Used to be options in various Linux/UNIX GUIs to have toolbars on the side or bottom instead. Related?
14:46:08 <matatk> PaulG: +1
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14:46:22 <matatk> PaulG: There's not really mention of that in the issue; suggest you comment.
14:47:02 <matatk> ... For Dark Mode it starts with a system preference. This is more web-focused. Coudl be adopted by others for other use cases?
14:47:15 <matatk> q?
14:47:36 <matatk> PaulG: Is this something that Adapt TF would want to talk about?
14:47:47 <matatk> ... and maybe communities they talk to?
14:48:52 <matatk> matatk: Worth mentioning in the call and hearing thoughts on this - I'll raise it with them
14:49:01 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/01-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:49:12 <matatk> PaulG: Could be good for generating use cases.
14:49:36 <matatk> matatk: RQTF too maybe - let's spread the news within APA
14:50:09 <matatk> ... Maybe worth announcing there. Maybe ARIA will be interested.
14:51:07 <matatk> PaulG: All the examples given are left/right. But your new use case is e.g. top to left - need JS for that now. Need to link to Media Queries, API, observer, accessibility properties. Lots of steps; need other groups to weigh in.
14:51:17 <matatk> q?
14:51:27 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:51:27 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned -- taken up [from janina]
14:54:59 <PaulG> https://toolbox.humandeluxe.com/marissa-mayer-principles/
14:55:55 <matatk> *general discussion on the CSS color/shape issues from prior weeks*
14:56:01 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/01-apa-minutes.html matatk
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18:18:54 <janina> zakim, bye
18:18:55 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, matatk, Nichole, JenStrickland, alisa_smith, Fazio
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18:19:05 <janina> rrsagent, bye
18:19:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items