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13:00:07 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
13:00:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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13:00:26 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
13:00:35 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster
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13:01:40 <Ege> scribenick: Ege
13:01:43 <kaz> chair: Koster
13:05:30 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_24_and_25_2024
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13:08:15 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumua
13:08:21 <kaz> s/Toumua/Toumura/
13:08:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:08:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:08:44 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:09:25 <Ege> topic: Agenda
13:10:06 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_24_and_25_2024 agenda for today
13:10:16 <Ege> mjk: there are some priorities
13:10:40 <Ege> ... like refactoring
13:10:46 <Ege> topic: Minutes
13:10:58 <Ege> mjk: if you see something, shout otu
13:11:03 <kaz> i|topic:|[ Refactoring (Binding to TD), Small PRs, if time left: Resource Management and Registry Requirements ]|
13:11:03 <Ege> s/otu/out
13:11:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:11:28 <kaz> i|if you|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/18-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-18|
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13:13:01 <Ege> mjk: any comments on the minutes?
13:13:09 <Ege> q?
13:13:24 <Ege> mjk: minutes are approved
13:14:05 <Ege> topic: Refactoring
13:15:17 <Ege> mjk: So you have a PR on it right?
13:15:26 <Ege> ek: yes we have PR 2000 that makes the move
13:15:58 <Ege> ... also a small PR on binding templates
13:16:12 <Ege> subtopic: PR 360 in Bindings
13:16:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/360 Binding PR 360 - Header Alignment
13:16:48 <mjk> q?
13:16:51 <luca_barbato> q+
13:17:33 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/360/b0600ce...02895f9.html diff
13:17:35 <kaz> q+
13:18:21 <Ege> ek: I had to clean up some headers. I think we should be careful with simple HTML formatting stuff
13:18:25 <kaz> q- kaz
13:18:28 <Ege> mjk: ok I see
13:18:35 <Ege> kaz: Let's look at the diff version
13:18:50 <kaz> ack lu
13:19:14 <Ege> lb: changes are fine, please merge
13:19:39 <Ege> ... I think we will solve this issue when we adopt markdown and use bikeshed to turn things into html
13:20:31 <Ege> mjk: so it won't be an issue going forward
13:21:22 <Ege> ... so let's quickly go over it
13:21:31 <Ege> ... ok so it looks good
13:21:35 <Ege> q?
13:22:10 <kaz> q+
13:22:44 <Ege> q+
13:22:45 <kaz> ack k
13:23:06 <Ege> kaz: from respec point of view, it is not an issue
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13:23:28 <Ege> ... from html point of view, it is good to change that
13:24:20 <mjk> q?
13:24:33 <Ege> ack e
13:24:46 <Ege> ek: it was rendering fine but it was wrong in the beginning
13:24:51 <Ege> mjk: let's merge this PR
13:24:57 <Ege> subtopic: PR 2000 in TD
13:25:36 <kaz> s/change that/change that. BTW, regarding the extra subsection title for introductory text, it was jus our chosen style was redundant./
13:26:08 <Ege> mjk: so all the headers got shifted
13:26:15 <kaz> i|so all|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2000 TD PR 2000 - Binding mechanism refactoring|
13:26:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:26:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:27:10 <kaz> i|so all|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/2000/1e16b24...b292166.html diff|
13:27:27 <Ege> ... otherwise nothing else has changed at this moment
13:28:53 <kaz> q+
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13:30:06 <Ege> ek: I think I should have checked the references since now all references became informative
13:30:34 <kaz> q?
13:31:06 <Ege> ... I can change the references
13:31:31 <kaz> ack k
13:31:31 <Ege> kaz: I am fine with the PR as is and we can do small changes
13:31:39 <Ege> ... since it is just the first PR
13:31:46 <kaz> s/changes/changes after merging this/
13:32:50 <Ege> q+
13:33:38 <Ege> ack e
13:33:53 <Ege> ek: we can open issues now for the follow up points
13:34:05 <Ege> mjk: merged
13:35:11 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1987 for TD
13:35:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1987 TD Issue 1987 - Moving Binding Mechanism Text to TD
13:35:36 <kaz> scribe+
13:35:51 <kaz> ek: maybe we can close this issue and then create another issue for follow-up
13:36:24 <Ege> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/#sec-payload-examples
13:36:26 <kaz> ... btw, we need to discuss how to handle the appendix of the Binding Templates spec
13:36:43 <kaz> s|https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/#sec-payload-examples||
13:37:04 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/#sec-payload-examples Appendix B. Examples of Payloads and Data Schemas from IoT Platforms and Standards
13:37:06 <Ege> mjk: let's see the appendix
13:37:22 <kaz> i/let's/scribenick: Ege/
13:37:39 <Ege> mjk: so only the 3 example pairs are missing
13:39:00 <kaz> q+
13:39:09 <Ege> mjk: should we create an issue
13:39:15 <Ege> ek: yes otherwise I will forget
13:40:02 <kaz> ack k
13:42:15 <kaz> scribe+
13:42:22 <kaz> ek: let's see the project also
13:42:25 <kaz> -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80 TD Project
13:42:49 <Ege> ek: then we can categorize and assign
13:43:04 <kaz> i/ek:/ek: Issue 2005 is listed on the "Categorized" column/
13:43:11 <kaz> i/then/scribenick: Ege/
13:43:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:43:24 <kaz> scribe+
13:43:48 <kaz> ek: after assigning the issue to me, we can move it to the "Assigned" column
13:44:04 <kaz> ... then the "In Progress" column
13:44:10 <Ege> ek: since I know that I can work on it
13:44:21 <kaz> i/since/scribenick: Ege/
13:44:27 <Ege> mjk: Ok we can move back to the other issues
13:45:27 <Ege> mjk: then we can create new issue for the overlaps
13:46:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2006 Issue 2006 - Fix overlaps between TD and Bindings content
13:46:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:46:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:46:44 <Ege> subtopic: Binding Core Document
13:46:55 <Ege> mjk: We will create other documents for registry and policy
13:47:41 <mjk> q?
13:47:49 <kaz> i|let's see|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2005 TD Issue 2005 - Add Appendix B from the Binding Templates document to the merged TD document|
13:48:04 <kaz> s/Issue 2006 -/TD Issue 2006 -/
13:48:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:48:14 <Ege> ek: we can delete it or turn into a registry definition
13:48:22 <mjk> q?
13:48:28 <Ege> mjk: yeah or the registry can be in the TD
13:48:36 <luca_barbato> q+
13:48:56 <kaz> i|We will cr|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1987 TD Issue 1987 - Moving Binding Mechanism Text to TD|
13:48:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:49:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/25-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:49:20 <Ege> ... what are the tradeoffs between having the registry in the TD or binding template
13:49:34 <Ege> ... having it in the TD will make the TD longer
13:50:09 <Ege> lb: the TD document may end up being way too big
13:50:28 <Ege> ... on the other hand, the protocol binding and registry should be a small section
13:51:23 <kaz> i|the TD doc|-> https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-profile-registry/#registry FYI, Registry section of "TTML Media Type Definition and Profile Registry" Note
13:51:30 <Ege> ... if you want to write a binding, you have to be aware of TD
13:51:32 <kaz> q+
13:51:37 <Ege> ... so there is no separation of concerns
13:51:41 <Ege> ack l
13:51:42 <mjk> q?
13:52:17 <luca_barbato> q+
13:52:27 <Ege> kaz: I tend to agree with luca
13:52:32 <kaz> ack k
13:52:53 <Ege> ... starting separately would be fine in the beginning
13:52:55 <Ege> ... separating them would be easier to manage
13:53:00 <Ege> ... we can change later as well
13:53:01 <Ege> q+
13:53:04 <kaz> q+
13:53:09 <mjk> q?
13:54:37 <Ege> lb: there is no real pros or cons, there will be an entry point
13:54:45 <Ege> ... it depends on how intense the whole section will be
13:55:28 <kaz> ack lu
13:55:30 <kaz> ack e
13:55:55 <luca_barbato> q+
13:56:53 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-profile-registry/#registry FYI (again), Registry section of "TTML Media Type Definition and Profile Registry" Note
13:56:55 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/discussions/241
13:57:15 <mjk> q?
13:57:25 <Ege> ek: there can be issues with having a coupling between td version and a binding
13:57:41 <Ege> ... it is easier to manage that if the registry is in a td document
13:58:04 <Ege> ... probably we need to agree on how the registry table looks like first
13:58:07 <Ege> kaz: we should think about our requirements
13:58:08 <kaz> ack k
13:58:51 <Ege> ... and have a look at ttwg work
13:59:10 <Ege> lb: if we have td 3.0, all the bindings will need to update
13:59:35 <Ege> ... so there needs to be a registry per td spec version
13:59:35 <kaz> s/kaz: we should think about our requirements/kaz: basically, agree but we can make decision about "how to describe the registry mechanism" later, and we should clarify our requirements first/
13:59:38 <Ege> q+
14:00:26 <kaz> s/and have a look at ttwg work/for that purpose, we can take a look at the TTWG's work again./
14:00:36 <Ege> ek: I think we can agree that the binding core document will be empty or non-existent if the binding registry lives in the TD spec
14:00:45 <kaz> s/need to update/need to get updated/
14:00:58 <Ege> mjk: aob?
14:01:21 <Ege> mjk: no call on wednesday, we meet next week thursday
14:01:32 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:01:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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