IRC log of wot-uc on 2024-04-24

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meeting: WoT Use Cases
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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chair: Mizushima
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present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan
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scribenick: kaz
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topic: Logistics
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agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240424.md
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mizu: May-1 call will be cancelled
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... also I'm planning to take off around end of May
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mm: please add that to the main WoT wiki too
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mizu: ok
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topic: Plan
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mizu: updated proposed plan
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[[
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Apr-24: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
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May-8: Initial discussion on Requirements Template
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May-15 and May-22: Fix basic Functional Requirements Template
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May-29 and June-12: Fix basic Technical Requirements Template
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]]
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mizu: objections?
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(none; approved)
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topic: Minutes review and discussion points
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-3
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mizu: proposed use case template was accepted
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... but there were several remaining questions
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... Q1: How to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
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... Q2: What to be described by the README?
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... Q3: How to apply existing guidelines within the old template?
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i|but|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/use-case-template-2024.md proposed use case template|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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mizu: any objections?
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(none; approved)
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topic: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
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subtopic: ow to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
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mizu: Ege made an Issue about this
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/281 Issue 281 - Mention Possibility of External Submissions via Issues
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mizu: so far UCs are submitted via PRs
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... but we want to accept use cases from non-Members too
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... would agree with Ege and propose we use GitHub Issues instead of PRs to submit use cases
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... for example, the Strategy repository also uses the GitHub Issue mechanism to submit a proposa for Exploration, Incubation, Chartering, etc.
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... so I've made similar configuration for wot-usecases repository (as a test case?)
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new/choose wot-usecases Issues
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mizu: to submit a use case, you can simply click "Get started" on the Issue page
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... the use case template will be copied on the issue page after that
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... then the Use Cases TF can review the submitted use case
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... on the other hand, if there is any problem with the proposed issue, our comments will be put on the GitHub Issue
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... what do you think?
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q?
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present+ Luca_Barbato
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kaz: this is inline with what Ege mentioned during the previous call
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ek: nice to add a link to the example use cases
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11:24:57 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
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kaz: clarification question
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... the content of the new Issue is identical to the new Use Case template. Right?
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mizu: yes
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kaz: in that case, we add a link to the GitHub Issue content
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ek: btw, maybe we can remove the check boxes?
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kaz: I think we added check boxes so that submitters can check their progress
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ek: ah, right
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lb: let's see the "Preview" of the Issue to see if that's workable
11:29:20 [luca_barbato]
https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
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mizu: if we add "x" to the checkbox "[ ]", it will be checked
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lb: can help Mizushima-san makes the GitHub Issue a right shape
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11:32:05 [Ege]
https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/syntax-for-issue-forms is also relevant
11:32:56 [kaz]
lb: technically, we can use YAML instead of MD
11:33:00 [Ege]
please see https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
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kaz: yeah, technically, we can try YAML too
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... but the question is whether we want to try YAML or not
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q?
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present+ Michael_Lagally
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ml: what is the merit of using YAML instead?
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lb: would be more flexible
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ml: what would be the output of YAML in the end?
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lb: we can get a MD as a result
11:35:43 [Ege]
it will help if we can just look at an example :)
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ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example
11:36:54 [Ege]
https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
11:36:54 [luca_barbato]
https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new?assignees=&labels=new+spec&projects=&template=suggest-spec.yml&title=Add+new+spec%3A+%3Ctitle%3E
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s/ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example//
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s/it will help if we can just look at an example :)//
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i|choose|ek: it will help if we can just look at an example :)|
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rrsagent, draft minute
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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qq+ lagally
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q- lagally
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kaz: would suggest we once split the discussion into 2 pieces
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... 1. using GitHub issues for use case submission
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... 2. what mechanism to be used for that
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... if everybody is ok with #1 above, let's record that and then continue the discussion about #2
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ek: agree
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mizu: ok with that
11:43:20 [luca_barbato]
+1
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... so let's use GitHub Issues to let people submit use cases
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(no objections)
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q- Tomo
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resolution: use GitHub Issues to let people including non-Members submit use cases
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mizu: ok
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... let's look into how to do that now
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kaz: maybe you can ask Luca to talk about that
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lb: Issue template?
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mizu: yes
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11:47:34 [luca_barbato]
https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
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lb: (shows the GitHub document about issue template above)
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... (there is an example of Bug reports)
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... we can make sure the submitters put all the information using YAML
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... (also shows another example of w3c/browser-specs repo)
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-> https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/blob/main/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/suggest-spec.yml YAML configuration on the browser-specs repo
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lb: we can use checkboxes as well
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mizu: tx!
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... unfortunately, we're getting out of time
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... let's continue the discussion next time
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kaz: would suggest you have some more chat with Luca before the next call too
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lb: fine by me
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... please contact me
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mizu: ok
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... the meeting is adjourned now
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[adjourned]
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