IRC log of wot-uc on 2024-04-24
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-irc
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- meeting: WoT Use Cases
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- chair: Mizushima
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- present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan
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- q+
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- q-
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- scribenick: kaz
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- topic: Logistics
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- agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240424.md
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- mizu: May-1 call will be cancelled
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- ... also I'm planning to take off around end of May
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- mm: please add that to the main WoT wiki too
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- mizu: ok
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- topic: Plan
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- mizu: updated proposed plan
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- [[
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- Apr-24: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
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- May-8: Initial discussion on Requirements Template
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- May-15 and May-22: Fix basic Functional Requirements Template
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- May-29 and June-12: Fix basic Technical Requirements Template
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- ]]
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- mizu: objections?
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- (none; approved)
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- topic: Minutes review and discussion points
- 11:11:24 [luca_barbato]
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-3
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- mizu: proposed use case template was accepted
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- ... but there were several remaining questions
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- ... Q1: How to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
- 11:13:04 [kaz]
- ... Q2: What to be described by the README?
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- ... Q3: How to apply existing guidelines within the old template?
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- i|but|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/use-case-template-2024.md proposed use case template|
- 11:13:46 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
- 11:13:58 [kaz]
- mizu: any objections?
- 11:14:14 [kaz]
- (none; approved)
- 11:14:29 [kaz]
- topic: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
- 11:14:45 [kaz]
- subtopic: ow to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
- 11:14:53 [kaz]
- mizu: Ege made an Issue about this
- 11:15:15 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/281 Issue 281 - Mention Possibility of External Submissions via Issues
- 11:15:27 [kaz]
- mizu: so far UCs are submitted via PRs
- 11:15:52 [kaz]
- ... but we want to accept use cases from non-Members too
- 11:17:25 [kaz]
- ... would agree with Ege and propose we use GitHub Issues instead of PRs to submit use cases
- 11:18:11 [kaz]
- ... for example, the Strategy repository also uses the GitHub Issue mechanism to submit a proposa for Exploration, Incubation, Chartering, etc.
- 11:19:02 [kaz]
- ... so I've made similar configuration for wot-usecases repository (as a test case?)
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- q+
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- q-
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new/choose wot-usecases Issues
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- mizu: to submit a use case, you can simply click "Get started" on the Issue page
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- ... the use case template will be copied on the issue page after that
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- ... then the Use Cases TF can review the submitted use case
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- ... on the other hand, if there is any problem with the proposed issue, our comments will be put on the GitHub Issue
- 11:22:35 [kaz]
- ... what do you think?
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- q?
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- present+ Luca_Barbato
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- q+
- 11:22:53 [Ege]
- q+
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- q+
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- ack k
- 11:23:25 [kaz]
- kaz: this is inline with what Ege mentioned during the previous call
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- ek: nice to add a link to the example use cases
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- qq+
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- ack k
- 11:24:57 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
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- ack e
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- kaz: clarification question
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- ... the content of the new Issue is identical to the new Use Case template. Right?
- 11:25:29 [kaz]
- mizu: yes
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- kaz: in that case, we add a link to the GitHub Issue content
- 11:27:28 [kaz]
- ek: btw, maybe we can remove the check boxes?
- 11:28:01 [kaz]
- kaz: I think we added check boxes so that submitters can check their progress
- 11:28:04 [kaz]
- ek: ah, right
- 11:28:59 [kaz]
- lb: let's see the "Preview" of the Issue to see if that's workable
- 11:29:20 [luca_barbato]
- https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
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- mizu: if we add "x" to the checkbox "[ ]", it will be checked
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- lb: can help Mizushima-san makes the GitHub Issue a right shape
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- q?
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- ack lu
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- q+
- 11:32:05 [Ege]
- https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/syntax-for-issue-forms is also relevant
- 11:32:56 [kaz]
- lb: technically, we can use YAML instead of MD
- 11:33:00 [Ege]
- please see https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
- 11:33:09 [Ege]
- q+
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- ack
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- ack k
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- ack e
- 11:33:31 [Ege]
- q+
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- kaz: yeah, technically, we can try YAML too
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- ... but the question is whether we want to try YAML or not
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- q?
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- present+ Michael_Lagally
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- ml: what is the merit of using YAML instead?
- 11:35:00 [kaz]
- lb: would be more flexible
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- ml: what would be the output of YAML in the end?
- 11:35:35 [kaz]
- lb: we can get a MD as a result
- 11:35:43 [Ege]
- it will help if we can just look at an example :)
- 11:36:08 [kaz]
- q+
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- ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example
- 11:36:54 [Ege]
- https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
- 11:36:54 [luca_barbato]
- https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new?assignees=&labels=new+spec&projects=&template=suggest-spec.yml&title=Add+new+spec%3A+%3Ctitle%3E
- 11:37:38 [kaz]
- s/ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example//
- 11:37:53 [kaz]
- s/it will help if we can just look at an example :)//
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- i|choose|ek: it will help if we can just look at an example :)|
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minute
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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- q?
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- ack e
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- qq+ lagally
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- q- lagally
- 11:40:13 [Ege]
- q+
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- kaz: would suggest we once split the discussion into 2 pieces
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- ... 1. using GitHub issues for use case submission
- 11:40:38 [Tomo]
- q+
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- ... 2. what mechanism to be used for that
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- ack k
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- ack e
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- ... if everybody is ok with #1 above, let's record that and then continue the discussion about #2
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- ek: agree
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- mizu: ok with that
- 11:43:20 [luca_barbato]
- +1
- 11:43:50 [kaz]
- ... so let's use GitHub Issues to let people submit use cases
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- (no objections)
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- q+
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- q- Tomo
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- ack k
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- resolution: use GitHub Issues to let people including non-Members submit use cases
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- mizu: ok
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- ... let's look into how to do that now
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- q+
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- q-
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- kaz: maybe you can ask Luca to talk about that
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- lb: Issue template?
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- mizu: yes
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- q+
- 11:47:34 [luca_barbato]
- https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
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- ack k
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- lb: (shows the GitHub document about issue template above)
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- ... (there is an example of Bug reports)
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- ... we can make sure the submitters put all the information using YAML
- 11:50:46 [Tomo]
- q+
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- ack t
- 11:52:01 [kaz]
- ... (also shows another example of w3c/browser-specs repo)
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/blob/main/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/suggest-spec.yml YAML configuration on the browser-specs repo
- 11:55:07 [kaz]
- lb: we can use checkboxes as well
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- q+
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- ack k
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- mizu: tx!
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- ... unfortunately, we're getting out of time
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- ... let's continue the discussion next time
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- kaz: would suggest you have some more chat with Luca before the next call too
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- lb: fine by me
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- ... please contact me
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- mizu: ok
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- ... the meeting is adjourned now
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- [adjourned]
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