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10:59:05 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
10:59:18 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:59:21 <kaz> chair: Mizushima
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11:03:43 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan
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11:05:42 <kaz> q+
11:06:24 <kaz> q-
11:06:30 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
11:08:15 <kaz> topic: Logistics
11:08:32 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240424.md
11:08:43 <kaz> mizu: May-1 call will be cancelled
11:08:59 <kaz> ... also I'm planning to take off around end of May
11:09:12 <kaz> mm: please add that to the main WoT wiki too
11:09:14 <kaz> mizu: ok
11:09:21 <kaz> topic: Plan
11:09:49 <kaz> mizu: updated proposed plan
11:10:10 <kaz> [[
11:10:21 <kaz> Apr-24: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
11:10:22 <kaz> May-8: Initial discussion on Requirements Template
11:10:22 <kaz> May-15 and May-22: Fix basic Functional Requirements Template
11:10:22 <kaz> May-29 and June-12: Fix basic Technical Requirements Template
11:10:22 <kaz> ]]
11:11:02 <kaz> mizu: objections?
11:11:13 <kaz> (none; approved)
11:11:23 <kaz> topic: Minutes review and discussion points
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11:11:34 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-3
11:12:14 <kaz> mizu: proposed use case template was accepted
11:12:34 <kaz> ... but there were several remaining questions
11:12:55 <kaz> ... Q1: How to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
11:13:04 <kaz> ... Q2: What to be described by the README?
11:13:14 <kaz> ... Q3: How to apply existing guidelines within the old template?
11:13:41 <kaz> i|but|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/use-case-template-2024.md proposed use case template|
11:13:46 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:13:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:13:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:13:58 <kaz> mizu: any objections?
11:14:14 <kaz> (none; approved)
11:14:29 <kaz> topic: Wrap-up "further discussion" on the Use Case Template
11:14:45 <kaz> subtopic: ow to let non-IG members submit their use cases?
11:14:53 <kaz> mizu: Ege made an Issue about this
11:15:15 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/281 Issue 281 - Mention Possibility of External Submissions via Issues
11:15:27 <kaz> mizu: so far UCs are submitted via PRs
11:15:52 <kaz> ... but we want to accept use cases from non-Members too
11:17:25 <kaz> ... would agree with Ege and propose we use GitHub Issues instead of PRs to submit use cases
11:18:11 <kaz> ... for example, the Strategy repository also uses the GitHub Issue mechanism to submit a proposa for Exploration, Incubation, Chartering, etc.
11:19:02 <kaz> ... so I've made similar configuration for wot-usecases repository (as a test case?)
11:19:18 <kaz> q+
11:19:43 <kaz> q-
11:20:10 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/new/choose wot-usecases Issues
11:20:45 <kaz> mizu: to submit a use case, you can simply click "Get started" on the Issue page
11:21:04 <kaz> ... the use case template will be copied on the issue page after that
11:21:43 <kaz> ... then the Use Cases TF can review the submitted use case
11:22:29 <kaz> ... on the other hand, if there is any problem with the proposed issue, our comments will be put on the GitHub Issue
11:22:35 <kaz> ... what do you think?
11:22:40 <kaz> q?
11:22:46 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
11:22:48 <kaz> q+
11:22:53 <Ege> q+
11:23:08 <luca_barbato> q+
11:23:12 <kaz> ack k
11:23:25 <kaz> kaz: this is inline with what Ege mentioned during the previous call
11:23:58 <kaz> ek: nice to add a link to the example use cases
11:24:12 <kaz> qq+
11:24:57 <kaz> ack k
11:24:57 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
11:25:01 <kaz> ack e
11:25:08 <kaz> kaz: clarification question
11:25:25 <kaz> ... the content of the new Issue is identical to the new Use Case template. Right?
11:25:29 <kaz> mizu: yes
11:27:13 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we add a link to the GitHub Issue content
11:27:28 <kaz> ek: btw, maybe we can remove the check boxes?
11:28:01 <kaz> kaz: I think we added check boxes so that submitters can check their progress
11:28:04 <kaz> ek: ah, right
11:28:59 <kaz> lb: let's see the "Preview" of the Issue to see if that's workable
11:29:20 <luca_barbato> https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
11:29:42 <kaz> mizu: if we add "x" to the checkbox "[ ]", it will be checked
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11:31:07 <kaz> lb: can help Mizushima-san makes the GitHub Issue a right shape
11:31:10 <kaz> q?
11:31:12 <kaz> ack lu
11:31:13 <kaz> q+
11:32:05 <Ege> https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/syntax-for-issue-forms is also relevant
11:32:56 <kaz> lb: technically, we can use YAML instead of MD
11:33:00 <Ege> please see https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
11:33:09 <Ege> q+
11:33:15 <kaz> ack
11:33:18 <kaz> ack k
11:33:19 <kaz> ack e
11:33:31 <Ege> q+
11:33:35 <kaz> kaz: yeah, technically, we can try YAML too
11:33:48 <kaz> ... but the question is whether we want to try YAML or not
11:33:53 <kaz> q?
11:34:11 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
11:34:34 <kaz> ml: what is the merit of using YAML instead?
11:35:00 <kaz> lb: would be more flexible
11:35:25 <kaz> ml: what would be the output of YAML in the end?
11:35:35 <kaz> lb: we can get a MD as a result
11:35:43 <Ege> it will help if we can just look at an example :)
11:36:08 <kaz> q+
11:36:40 <kaz> ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example
11:36:54 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new/choose
11:36:54 <luca_barbato> https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/issues/new?assignees=&labels=new+spec&projects=&template=suggest-spec.yml&title=Add+new+spec%3A+%3Ctitle%3E
11:37:38 <kaz> s/ek: btw, it would be useful for submitters to have an example//
11:37:53 <kaz> s/it will help if we can just look at an example :)//
11:38:07 <kaz> i|choose|ek: it will help if we can just look at an example :)|
11:38:11 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:38:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minute
11:38:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
11:38:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:38:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:38:55 <kaz> q?
11:39:01 <kaz> ack e
11:39:11 <kaz> qq+ lagally
11:39:17 <kaz> q- lagally
11:40:13 <Ege> q+
11:40:16 <kaz> kaz: would suggest we once split the discussion into 2 pieces
11:40:29 <kaz> ... 1. using GitHub issues for use case submission
11:40:38 <Tomo> q+
11:40:41 <kaz> ... 2. what mechanism to be used for that
11:40:41 <kaz> ack k
11:40:43 <kaz> ack e
11:41:08 <kaz> ... if everybody is ok with #1 above, let's record that and then continue the discussion about #2
11:41:11 <kaz> ek: agree
11:41:25 <kaz> mizu: ok with that
11:43:20 <luca_barbato> +1
11:43:50 <kaz> ... so let's use GitHub Issues to let people submit use cases
11:43:59 <kaz> (no objections)
11:44:03 <kaz> q+
11:44:29 <kaz> q- Tomo
11:44:31 <kaz> ack k
11:44:57 <kaz> resolution: use GitHub Issues to let people including non-Members submit use cases
11:45:55 <kaz> mizu: ok
11:46:08 <kaz> ... let's look into how to do that now
11:46:20 <kaz> q+
11:46:35 <kaz> q-
11:46:50 <kaz> kaz: maybe you can ask Luca to talk about that
11:47:01 <kaz> lb: Issue template?
11:47:04 <kaz> mizu: yes
11:47:19 <kaz> q+
11:47:34 <luca_barbato> https://docs.github.com/en/communities/using-templates-to-encourage-useful-issues-and-pull-requests/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository
11:47:42 <kaz> ack k
11:49:24 <kaz> lb: (shows the GitHub document about issue template above)
11:49:48 <kaz> ... (there is an example of Bug reports)
11:50:17 <kaz> ... we can make sure the submitters put all the information using YAML
11:50:46 <Tomo> q+
11:51:21 <kaz> ack t
11:52:01 <kaz> ... (also shows another example of w3c/browser-specs repo)
11:53:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/browser-specs/blob/main/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/suggest-spec.yml YAML configuration on the browser-specs repo
11:55:07 <kaz> lb: we can use checkboxes as well
11:56:13 <kaz> q+
11:56:56 <kaz> ack k
11:57:14 <kaz> mizu: tx!
11:57:28 <kaz> ... unfortunately, we're getting out of time
11:57:38 <kaz> ... let's continue the discussion next time
11:57:57 <kaz> kaz: would suggest you have some more chat with Luca before the next call too
11:58:27 <kaz> lb: fine by me
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11:58:33 <kaz> ... please contact me
11:58:39 <kaz> mizu: ok
11:58:55 <kaz> ... the meeting is adjourned now
11:58:57 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:59:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:59:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/24-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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