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13:47:11 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
13:47:12 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:47:30 <janina> Meeting: Adapt Task Force Weekly Teleconference
13:47:36 <janina> Date: 23 Apr 2024
13:47:44 <janina> Chair: janina, matthew
13:47:51 <janina>    - agenda+ Introduction, Any Updates?
13:47:51 <janina>    - agenda+ Issue 240 finalization
13:47:51 <janina>    - agenda+ Symbols explainer
13:47:51 <janina>    - agenda+ WKD Follow-up from Matt
13:47:51 <janina>    - agenda+ WKD Github actions and PRs
13:54:28 <janina>  present+
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14:03:51 <janina> scribe+
14:03:56 <janina> zakim, next item
14:03:56 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:04:01 <Abhinav> present+
14:05:40 <janina> Brief discussion of the web crawl for 2024 Web Almanac
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14:06:05 <matatk> present+
14:06:16 <Abhinav> present+
14:07:18 <janina> matatk: currently no request to domain.tld/well-known/something wouldn't return anything; but is there something useful for us?:
14:07:33 <janina> matatk: Wondering what might be helpful
14:07:51 <janina> matatk: Haven't thought of anything myself
14:08:22 <janina> matatk: Asks Abhinav if any notion on how to smoke out multi-tenanted sites?
14:09:22 <janina> Abhinav: Agrees with Matt, would be useful but can't think of how to structure
14:09:29 <janina> janina: Also agree
14:09:37 <janina> agenda?
14:09:56 <janina> topic: WKD
14:10:26 <janina> matatk: Particularly wanted to arrange mtg with person objection at the AC; to understand them and their use cases
14:10:36 <janina> matatk: So far, both emails appear to have failed
14:10:50 <janina> matatk: But, it's a well known person in the community.
14:10:54 <janina> matatk: Will continue
14:11:03 <janina> s/continue/continue outreach/
14:11:14 <janina> matatk: Also thinking about how to refine our use cases
14:11:45 <janina> matatk: Adapt has always worked on technical solutions raised by COGA
14:12:33 <janina> matatk: Notes finding all WKD when any page visited--for that page
14:12:43 <janina> matatk: rhel wouldn't allow that; only current page
14:13:38 <matatk> scribe+
14:13:55 <matatk> janina: Concern about figuring out what's attainable. Always a balance that we need to strike.
14:14:34 <janina> janina: discusses importance of appreciating the politics
14:14:56 <janina> matatk: Believe it's important to ask this one question; we don't want to block ourselves for future enhancements
14:16:41 <janina> matatk: Notes we need solution that works exactly like fav icons
14:16:49 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:16:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/23-adapt-minutes.html janina
14:17:02 <janina> matatk: Important to not waste bandwidth with every http request
14:17:24 <janina> matatk: Having it in every response seems excessive data tx
14:17:40 <janina> matatk: Then there's the parsing
14:18:35 <janina> janina: Agrees
14:19:24 <janina> matatk: We don't have enough data on how many pages would fail with this approach; 1% we can go forward, but 20-30% would block the approach
14:19:44 <janina> Abhinav: Agrees; believes will be less than 10% and the trajectory is more and more sites
14:20:31 <janina> matatk: OK, understand you don't believe it's the vast majority of sites; though a significant but small percentage wouldn't work with this approach
14:20:38 <janina> matatk: So still worth pursuing
14:21:11 <janina> matatk: one other option is to take hybrid approach; prefer well-known, but fall back (or in addition) use rhel
14:21:37 <janina> matatk: But that takes us to the sustainability problem above and have come to dislike the hybrid
14:22:09 <janina> matatk: We were thinking of rhel to identify portions of a page;
14:22:21 <janina> matatk: There may be a workaround to querry only when user needs
14:22:49 <janina> Abhinav: asks about subdomain to get to login ... how will it work?
14:23:08 <janina> matatk: news.domain.tld would provide a different login than domain.tld
14:24:05 <janina> matatk: Good news is that author of well-known wants to work with us
14:27:34 <janina> Abhinav: notes 3304 experience with gmail redirect to google
14:27:41 <janina> s/3304/304/
14:28:22 <janina> matatk: understand well-known is being used by Apple; means they've likely decided this is going to work most of the time
14:31:33 <janina> janina: asks about well-known penetration?
14:31:59 <janina> matatk: many, but seems many security related
14:32:22 <janina> abhinav: w3c about a dozen
14:33:15 <janina> matatk: interesting list: web of things included
14:34:21 <janina> matatk: like that the failure mode is reliable
14:35:33 <janina> abhinav: Asks how we want to proceed from here? What's next?
14:36:02 <janina> matatk: asap move work ac outcomes into pub domain
14:36:08 <janina> matatk: address concerns raised first
14:40:36 <janina> discussion re invites to COGA to join and see the presentation we have
14:41:26 <janina> abhinav: asks problems of using site map for the same thing?
14:41:40 <janina> matatk: good question
14:42:05 <janina> matatk: site map gives more info; megabytes in size sometimes
14:43:16 <janina> matatk: thoughts from the sustainability perspective; but if we don't site map we need to explain why not
14:45:19 <janina> matatk: is a site-map specific to a domain? or could they be separate for multi-tenanted?
14:45:31 <janina> abhinav have the same issue
14:46:16 <janina> matatk: wonders about extending well-known and/or site map to obtain info that site is multi-tenanted
14:49:13 <janina> matatk: Responds to Abhinav ... multiple instances of same app /tenent/id/contact
14:49:25 <janina> matatk: we need to find out how to indicate
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14:51:18 <janina> matatk: we need the site to identify where the the tenant variable is in the path
14:51:35 <janina> abhinav: could be done
14:52:54 <janina> matatk: raises case with multiple pages for several services in a site, i.e. a hotel, its restaurants, its spa, etc
14:53:59 <janina> abhinav: is that multiple or one contact page for the site?
14:55:20 <janina> abhinav: raises domain.tld/contact-id
14:55:44 <janina> abhinav: get key and value? key is dynamic?
14:56:02 <janina> matatk: good to think about!
14:56:49 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:56:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Abhinav, matatk
14:56:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:56:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/23-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:56:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:57:11 <janina> rrsagent, bye
14:57:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items