14:59:37 RRSAgent has joined #pronunciation 14:59:42 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/22-pronunciation-irc 14:59:42 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:59:43 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), PaulG 14:59:44 Agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements 14:59:44 Agenda+ Review Use Case 14:59:44 Agenda+ Action Items 14:59:44 Agenda+ Github Issues and examples 14:59:45 Agenda+ Other Business 14:59:51 zakim, agenda? 14:59:51 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 14:59:52 1. Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements [from PaulG] 14:59:52 2. Review Use Case [from PaulG] 14:59:52 3. Action Items [from PaulG] 14:59:52 4. Github Issues and examples [from PaulG] 14:59:52 5. Other Business [from PaulG] 14:59:59 present+ 15:02:49 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/500c026c-e0df-479a-a06e-a02d128e7ffd/20240422T110000/ 15:03:12 matatk has joined #pronunciation 15:03:36 Alan has joined #pronunciation 15:03:52 present+ 15:03:59 present+ 15:04:15 I don't know how to get the passcode and id 15:08:10 matatk: we should explore this path on CSS speech. Implementors aren't doing it. There's no specific blocker (philosophical or technical). It just seems it's not a priority. 15:08:32 q+ 15:08:57 ...an avenue to try is that there might be a subset of CSS speech (e.g., pause/break) implementors would work toward 15:09:15 ...if that could be implemented, we could probably get the rest of what we want. 15:10:33 ...we need an update from Mark about their spec using the data-* approach which can also influence implementors 15:10:44 zakim, take up next item 15:10:44 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from PaulG] 15:11:14 matatk: after TPAC would be a good time to decide direction 15:12:31 janina: we can go with a minimal set of spec requirements and expand it later 15:14:14 q+ to propose that Break/Pause is CSS-Speech 1.0. End of story. 15:15:56 q+ 15:16:10 - Drop requirements vendors resist (maybe pick up in phase2 after gathering support) 15:16:10 - Push for requirements again with only the few examples we found (pause/break mostly) 15:16:10 - Merge with CSS speech and resume/restart (both) 15:16:10 - Drop it entirely 15:16:32 ack janina 15:16:32 janina, you wanted to propose that Break/Pause is CSS-Speech 1.0. End of story. 15:18:32 have we review this? https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-tts-10/ 15:19:49 1EdTech's spec could have influence on implementors 15:19:53 (when published) 15:25:32 EPUB seems to use both ssml (attributes) and css-speech. Similar to one of our options. 15:26:34 propose to invite Matt Garrish and Mark to a future meeting (or at TPAC) when we can unify on an approach. 15:26:38 Here's a search for open issues on the EPUB TTS doc: https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+epub+tts+is%3Aclosed+label%3ASpec-TTS 15:31:25 https://idpf.org/epub/301/spec/epub-contentdocs.html 15:36:48 matak: who can update the gap analysis document? 15:38:12 I can do that especially if we're not having meetings 15:39:15 we need ETS folks (Mark) to join with someone from EPUB and CSS-Speech (either before Mark leaves for the Summer or at TPAC) 15:39:37 and hammer out either we're working together or not 15:43:00 EPUB "voice, the volume level, and pauses and cues" as the minimum spec from CSS-Speech 15:44:01 I have to drop for another meeting. 15:45:55 EPUB "voice, the volume level, and pauses and cues" as the minimum spec from CSS-Speech (adding emphasis and expanding voice to be Voice Family/Gender and Rate/Pitch/Volume) 15:46:48 if we agree lang is handled by HTML... 15:47:13 leaves Phonetic Pronunciation, Substitution, Say As 15:48:26 maybe this is simple enough to not warrant JSON 15:49:04 matak: basically, what's in the axTree and what's not. What's formatting and what's content. 15:51:35 ...next steps: I will communicate with interested parties and we can reconvene after that's done 15:57:22 https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/345 -> Action 345 Propose a clamp option for CSS contrast-color() (on AutoSponge, matatk) due 2024-04-03 15:58:13 present+ 15:58:51 zakim, end meeting 15:58:51 As of this point the attendees have been PaulG, Alan, matatk, janina 15:58:52 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:58:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/22-pronunciation-minutes.html Zakim 15:59:01 I am happy to have been of service, PaulG; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 15:59:01 Zakim has left #pronunciation 15:59:37 zakim, bye 16:05:32 janina has left #pronunciation