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08:01:47 <xiaoqian> meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Monthly Teleconference
08:02:49 <xiaoqian> present: Wei_Ding, Min_Zuo, xiaoqian, Junbo_Hua, Dan_Zhou
08:03:19 <xiaoqian> present+ Martin
08:03:27 <xiaoqian> chair: martin
08:03:32 <xiaoqian> scribe: xiaoqian
08:04:48 <xiaoqian> topic: MiniApp Testing & Standard HTML/DOM
08:05:01 <xiaoqian> Martin's presentation-> https://w3c.github.io/miniapp/Meetings/2024/2024-04-11-Tests/#/
08:07:01 <xiaoqian> martin: problem we can't access standard HTML elements in the rendering part if we follow the current MiniApp practice
08:07:40 <xiaoqian> ... f.ex., developers can't access the Map element
08:09:30 <xiaoqian> ... we need consensus  whether we can design elements following the standard HTML, DOM access
08:10:22 <xiaoqian> ... it has huge impact on how we design the MiniApp specs
08:10:48 <xiaoqian> ... right now most MiniApps are using Virtual DOM
08:12:35 <xiaoqian> ... which will bring a lot of extract work, e.g., event binding
08:14:03 <xiaoqian> ... using standard HTML/DOM will differ from the current implementation
08:14:32 <xiaoqian> ... but it would make it much easier to create a MiniApp engine that works in the browsers
08:15:23 <xiaoqian> Dan_zhou: I agree with you
08:16:11 <xiaoqian> ... I think we need to create a proposal about event binding, high level components
08:16:18 <xiaoqian> ... we have to do that
08:16:51 <xiaoqian> ... we can partially be consistent with the HTML/DOM spec
08:21:39 <xiaoqian> martin: then we will need to prepare some arguments why this is necessary
08:23:38 <xiaoqian> dan: yes, but the most important thing is to integrate with MiniApps
08:23:52 <xiaoqian> martin: do we need to recharter the WG?
08:24:18 <xiaoqian> dan: can we do it in the MiniApp UI Component spec?
08:24:52 <xiaoqian> martin: still something is missing here, f.ex, something like DOM, event binding
08:25:54 <xiaoqian> ... it's much more than creating a list of elements, but to integrate with ECMAScript part
08:26:41 <xiaoqian> ... how to manipulate data in the rendering part
08:28:47 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: shall we start a discussion or prepare a draft in the community group?
08:29:09 <xiaoqian> martin: yes, we can also have early discussion with the TAG
08:30:07 <xiaoqian> Wei_Ding: shall we invite some TAG members to join our meeting?
08:33:58 <xiaoqian> martin: we need to define something like this: with interfaces to access events and the attributes for events -> https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/
08:34:44 <xiaoqian> ... we can start from a strong Explainer
08:35:20 <xiaoqian> ... then we can invite the TAG for a more detailed discussion
08:35:36 <xiaoqian> dan: a MiniApp Object Model?
08:37:31 <xiaoqian> ... it will include Miniapp API、event binding functions、template variables
08:39:23 <xiaoqian> resolve: work on an explainer for MiniApp Object Model, to explore what's missing and what's necessary
08:39:58 <xiaoqian> martin: meanwhile, I should mention the rest of the specs are still valid
08:41:42 <xiaoqian> topic: TPAC meeting
08:43:20 <xiaoqian> martin: I'll try to be there, we can have some detailed discussions with the TAG
08:43:40 <xiaoqian> dan: it's difficult for me to attend the meeting in the US
08:44:08 <xiaoqian> martin: always good to have discussions in person
08:44:30 <xiaoqian> wei: yes, especially for this kind of new topics
08:45:30 <xiaoqian> topic: MiniApps testing
08:45:40 <xiaoqian> martin: it depends on the new design
08:46:46 <xiaoqian> ... it arose when I was trying to design the minimum MiniApp
08:46:59 <xiaoqian> ... but we can still reuse a lot of current design
08:47:24 <xiaoqian> ... for this spec, we can reduce a lot testing
08:49:33 <xiaoqian> ... we can start working on the explainer in the w3c/miniapp repo
08:52:13 <xiaoqian> topic: next meeting
08:52:27 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: I'll create a doodle for the teleconference in May
08:53:06 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
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