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12:01:40 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:02:31 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Kunihiko_Toumura
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12:02:58 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:03:07 <kaz> chair: McCool, Koster, Sebastian
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12:05:22 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:05:57 <dape> scribe: dape
12:06:16 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:06:23 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
12:06:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:06:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:06:39 <dape> MMC: Minutes approved in chairs call
12:06:44 <dape> -> April-03 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-minutes.html
12:06:56 <dape> MMC: Any objections?
12:07:15 <dape> JR: change "sync" vs "async" actions
12:07:48 <dape> Kaz: fixed
12:08:05 <dape> MMC: No other changes -> minutes approved
12:08:13 <dape> TOPIC: Quick Items
12:08:19 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Proposed WoT IG charter under review
12:08:31 <dape> MMC: Charter still under review
12:08:53 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wotig2024/results review results (Member-only)
12:09:11 <dape> Kaz: 15 positive answers and 3 abstains
12:10:06 <dape> MMC: May want to reach out to people that didn't respond yet
12:10:16 <dape> Kaz: Yes, we could send reminder
12:10:26 <dape> ... we need 5 more
12:10:53 <dape> SK: Should ping Oracle, MS, ...
12:11:03 <dape> MMC: Intel is also missing, will ping my AC rep
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12:11:49 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Project Management Proposal
12:11:55 <dape> MMC: Older item..
12:12:00 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:12:08 <dape> EK: Plan to present it in main call
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12:12:40 <dape> MMC: Please do so now
12:12:51 <dape> EK: Figure with explanations
12:13:08 <dape> ... step 0 is most important .. we need issue
12:13:47 <dape> ... use-case needed also (if it is not coming from use case TF)
12:13:59 <dape> ... step 4 -> assign it to people
12:14:18 <dape> ... step 5 -> someone starts work and has priority
12:14:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:14:34 <dape> ... other steps are as usual ... work on solution
12:14:46 <dape> ... for categorization we want to use GitHub projects
12:15:04 <dape> EK: after step 5 is in agenda of meeting
12:15:21 <dape> MMC: I think we need a "rejected" box
12:15:26 <dape> EK: can do that after step 1
12:15:32 <kaz> i|Older item|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md proposed project management policy
12:15:39 <kaz> q+
12:15:54 <dape> Kaz: I am okay with this proposal
12:16:05 <dape> ... anyhow, we can think about next steps
12:16:16 <dape> ... e.g., bringing proposal back to main call
12:16:33 <kaz> ack k
12:16:38 <dape> MMC: helpful to clean-up categorization
12:16:49 <dape> ... e.g., labels w.r.t. security
12:17:05 <dape> ... align them across other task forces
12:17:18 <dape> MMC: I think we can start and test the process in TD taskforce
12:17:27 <Ege> q+
12:17:51 <dape> Kaz: I suggest to have a note about how to deal with other task forces
12:18:02 <dape> q?
12:18:40 <kaz> q+
12:18:44 <dape> EK: I am a bit confused
12:19:03 <dape> .. I think the proposal is ready and we should start the process
12:19:28 <dape> ... I already cleaned up some label w.r.t. colors etc
12:19:51 <dape> Kaz: IF we are okay as the whole group ...
12:20:05 <dape> .... that is fine.. but should be recorded as a RESOLUTION
12:20:29 <dape> ... should think about other task forces
12:21:17 <dape> EK: some more information: tables are ideas how GH project might work
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12:21:36 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
12:22:36 <mm> proposal: Accept process defined in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md#proposal-from-ege-korkan with the addition of an "Issue Rejected" arc from box 1; this will be initially tested in the TD TF only and if necessary refined.
12:22:41 <dape> q+
12:23:34 <dape> DP: The fragment link should be changed
12:23:40 <dape> MMC: Yes, but after resolution
12:23:50 <kaz> ack e
12:23:53 <kaz> ack d
12:23:54 <dape> ack dape
12:24:05 <dape> Kaz: I am okay
12:24:11 <dape> ack kaz
12:24:14 <mm> resolution: Accept process defined in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md#proposal-from-ege-korkan with the addition of an "Issue Rejected" arc from box 1; this will be initially tested in the TD TF only and if necessary refined.
12:24:29 <kaz> q?
12:24:46 <kaz> q+
12:24:51 <dape> EK: can become an official process later
12:24:55 <dape> MMC: Yes
12:25:13 <dape> SUBTOPIC: AC meeting
12:25:23 <dape> Kaz: Various discussions
12:25:32 <dape> ... some related to WoT and smart city
12:25:46 <dape> .... suggestions to improve W3C workflow
12:26:00 <dape> ... we can bring our results back to TAG
12:26:26 <dape> MMC: Process doesn't say anything about timing
12:26:45 <dape> Kaz: We can still wait a bit
12:27:08 <kaz> s|TAG|TAG/AB, etc.|
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12:27:37 <luca_barbato> q+
12:27:41 <kaz> ack k
12:27:53 <kaz> s/.... sugg/... also sugg/
12:27:54 <dape> MMC: Sidenote about new proposal that pops up
12:28:10 <dape> .. will create entry etc
12:28:27 <dape> LB: about external feedback
12:28:28 <kaz> present+ Erich_Barnstedt
12:28:37 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
12:28:50 <dape> ... had discussion with XXXX framework ...
12:29:12 <dape> ... good for showcase on-boarding
12:29:23 <kaz> q?
12:29:30 <kaz> ack lu
12:29:31 <mm> ack l
12:29:45 <dape> MMC: on-boarding needs more understanding on our side
12:29:51 <luca_barbato> https://www.biscuitsec.org/
12:30:02 <dape> s/XXXX /biscuitsec
12:30:14 <kaz> q+
12:30:22 <dape> s/biscuitsec/Biscuit
12:30:57 <kaz> i/Sidenote/subtopic: P2P communication proposal/
12:31:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:32:59 <dape> TOPIC: Notices
12:33:07 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Smart Cities IG Charter
12:33:08 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/smartcities-workshop/draft-charter Web-based Digital Twins Smart City IG Draft Charter
12:33:22 <dape> Kaz: Charter has been updated
12:33:28 <dape> ... and is under review
12:34:10 <dape> ... under wide review
12:34:13 <dape> MMC: timeline?
12:34:22 <dape> Kaz: wide review is 2 weeks
12:34:30 <dape> ... in May AC review will start
12:34:37 <dape> ... deadline might be in June
12:34:39 <kaz> q+
12:34:54 <kaz> ack k
12:35:13 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Siemens Press release about converge DTDL with W3C Thing Description
12:35:19 <dape> -> https://press.siemens.com/global/en/pressrelease/siemens-and-microsoft-converge-digital-twin-definition-language-w3c-thing-description
12:35:27 <dape> MMC: press release came out
12:36:05 <dape> SK: Press release just reflects the work between Siemens and Microsoft
12:36:11 <kaz> s/w3c-thing-description/w3c-thing-description Siemens Press release about converge DTDL with W3C Thing Description/
12:36:13 <kaz> q?
12:36:15 <kaz> q+
12:36:22 <dape> ... MS relies on DTDL
12:36:31 <dape> ... Siemens relies on TD
12:36:47 <dape> ... we have joint costumers
12:37:20 <dape> ... we worked on comparison
12:37:39 <dape> ... outcome: there is no big difference
12:37:54 <dape> ... some terms might be different.. but meaning is the same
12:38:04 <mjk> q?
12:38:09 <mjk> q+
12:38:19 <dape> ... a tool exists that converts TD to DTDL  and viceversa
12:38:24 <dape> ... tools is open source
12:38:36 <dape> ... we work on the small differences to align
12:38:51 <mm> q+
12:39:02 <dape> q?
12:39:22 <dape> ... e.g. the comment term
12:40:25 <dape> EB: we were not allowed to go public first... that might be the surprise
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12:40:37 <dape> ... there were several paths discussed
12:40:57 <dape> MMC: I am all for it
12:41:09 <mjk> q?
12:41:13 <dape> ... anyhow, need group resolution and plan
12:41:29 <dape> ack mm
12:41:43 <dape> EB: now we can talk more freely about it
12:41:48 <mlagally>  q?
12:41:55 <dape> Kaz: I agree with Michael
12:42:17 <dape> ... I am also surprised
12:42:50 <dape> ... should have been discussed by W3C marcom team first
12:43:02 <dape> ... press release gives wrong impression
12:43:33 <dape> ... text might be surprising to PLH and Coralie as well
12:43:37 <mlagally> q
12:43:39 <mlagally> q+
12:43:42 <dape> ack mjk
12:43:44 <mjk> ack m
12:43:50 <kaz> ack
12:43:53 <kaz> s/ack//
12:43:55 <kaz> ack k
12:44:00 <dape> MMC: Okay lets go through the process
12:44:07 <Tomo> +1 for kaz
12:44:37 <dape> EB: I am open to rejoining  the WG
12:44:39 <kaz> a/as well/as well. I think I need to let them know about this./
12:45:09 <dape> SK: my proposal would be to give overview
12:45:20 <mjk> q?
12:45:32 <dape> ... maybe in TD call or separate call
12:46:05 <dape> MMC: Next week is not good because of Hannover fair .. what about 2 weeks
12:46:20 <dape> EB: comparison is documented in details
12:46:24 <dape> ... can send link
12:47:05 <kaz> s/ by W3C marcom team first/ by the Marketing TF first, and then discussed by the whole WoT groups to get a resolution./
12:47:37 <dape> https://github.com/barnstee/WoDTT/blob/main/comparison.md
12:47:51 <kaz> s/press release gives wrong impression/This press release might give people wrong impression that W3C is officially work with DTDL for a new framework./
12:48:01 <mlagally> q?
12:48:01 <dape> EB: May 1st or 2nd?
12:48:04 <mlagally> q+
12:48:21 <dape> EB: holiday in Germany ...
12:48:39 <dape> ML: I am thrilled by announcement
12:48:55 <dape> ... industry  adoption is very important
12:49:17 <dape> ... maybe link to conversion tool might be good?
12:49:18 <Ege> https://github.com/wot-oss/wot-dtdl-converter
12:49:49 <dape> ack mlagally
12:49:53 <kaz> q+
12:50:33 <dape> EB: no decisions have been made w.r.t. comparisons etc
12:51:25 <dape> Kaz: w.r.t. comparison: the whole WoT group might want to collect information about others like ECHONET etc also
12:51:42 <dape> ... a comparison page might be useful
12:51:53 <dape> ack kaz
12:52:12 <dape> MMC: Yes, we need a migration plan also
12:52:54 <dape> TOPIC: Meetups
12:53:00 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT CG
12:53:10 <dape> MMC: Meetup 16th of May about W3C Solid (https://solidproject.org/
12:53:19 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT JP CG
12:53:27 <dape> MMC: doing event planning
12:53:37 <dape> TOPIC: Meeting Schedule Changes
12:53:45 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Cancellations
12:54:00 <dape> MMC: Decided not to call Hannover fair week
12:54:33 <dape> ... golden week in May
12:54:38 <dape> ... in Japan
12:54:41 <mlagally> q+
12:55:02 <kaz> q+
12:55:11 <dape> MMC: suggest to move Comparison call on May 8
12:55:22 <dape> ... TD call is cancelled today
12:55:32 <dape> .... tomorrow there will be a TD call
12:55:32 <Ege> q+
12:55:43 <dape> MMC: May 1 is cancelled
12:55:52 <dape> .... unavailable that week
12:56:12 <dape> ML: When is next main call about Press release and DTDL
12:56:21 <dape> MMC: May 8
12:56:25 <dape> ack mlagally
12:56:53 <kaz> ack k
12:57:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:57:48 <dape> Kaz: Please update Scripting cancellations
12:57:51 <dape> DP: Will do
12:58:09 <dape> TOPIC: JSON Schema
12:58:22 <dape> EK: JSON schema becoming standard?
12:58:29 <dape> ... I support it
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12:58:50 <dape> ... we need group resolution
12:59:25 <kaz> q+
12:59:51 <dape> EK: will work on text to share
13:00:17 <kaz> (then group review and group resolution)
13:00:23 <kaz> ack e
13:00:24 <dape> MMC: Can take a look as a group
13:00:33 <kaz> ack k
13:00:43 <dape> TOPIC: F2F planning
13:00:53 <dape> MMC: June is bad
13:01:22 <dape> ... European championship event
13:01:39 <dape> ... Siemens suggest to defer to November
13:02:02 <dape> Kaz: TPAC is in US this year
13:02:17 <dape> MMC: Virtual F2F in June?
13:02:39 <dape> ... face-to-face in Munich  for some people
13:02:55 <mlagally> q+
13:03:00 <dape> ... TPAC is in September
13:03:08 <kaz> i|Vir|-> https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2024/tpac-2024-hybrid-meeting/ TPAC 2024 info|
13:03:18 <kaz> q+
13:03:40 <dape> SK: planned for end of November ... not so close to TPAC
13:03:57 <dape> ... industry event in Berlin
13:04:22 <dape> ML: Sounds we should create doodle poll
13:04:25 <dape> MMC: +1
13:04:45 <kaz> q?
13:04:49 <kaz> ack ml
13:04:50 <dape> TOPIC: TD Discussion
13:04:59 <dape> s/TD Discussion/TF Discussion
13:05:16 <kaz> ack k
13:05:32 <dape> MMC: not able to continue as TF lead
13:07:16 <kaz> [adjourned]
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