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13:54:20 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:54:26 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:54:36 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/29-forms-minutes
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13:54:45 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:54:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-forms-minutes.html Steven
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14:01:02 <Steven> Topic: Tracker
14:01:02 <Steven> https://cwi.nl/~steven/apps/minutes/
14:01:46 <Steven> Steven: It's not yet perfect, but you can search, and click through to minutes and so on. I'll keep updating it.
14:02:45 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven to restructure sections on controls
14:02:45 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Mar/0006
14:02:49 <Steven> Steven: Continues
14:02:56 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2346: events crossing xforms boundaries [Erik]
14:02:56 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0008
14:03:01 <Steven> Erik: Continues
14:03:08 <Steven> Topic: Sorting
14:03:08 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Apr/0000
14:07:22 <Steven> Steven: [Taks through the proposal]
14:07:36 <Steven> Alain: How about using a sequence for multiple keys
14:07:59 <Steven> ... although sometimes you need to ascend on some keys, and descend o others
14:08:53 <Steven> ... XQuery uses "ascending|descending" for "up|down"; we should normalise.
14:09:02 <Steven> Erik: There is a problem with keys.
14:10:32 <Steven> ... multiple keys would have to work differently yto how XPath does it.
14:10:39 <Steven> s/yto/to/
14:11:00 <Steven> ... so having a sequence would not work
14:11:16 <Steven> ... you have reapply the function n times
14:11:55 <Steven> Steven: Except when adding a new item, which would use log n applications
14:12:45 <Steven> Erik: I don't think XPath supports multiple keys; xslt does
14:12:55 <Steven> ... (I think)
14:13:05 <Steven> ... they have a sort element
14:13:15 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/#xsl-sort
14:14:32 <Steven> Steven: So we still need to deal with multiple keys
14:16:00 <Steven> ... what do you think about the approach in general
14:16:04 <Steven> Erik: Seems useful
14:16:09 <Steven> Alain: Yeah]
14:16:13 <Steven> s/]/
14:16:36 <Steven> Steven: How about the idea of allowing the bind attributes on controls?
14:16:42 <Steven> Erik: It makes sense.
14:16:54 <Steven> ... some difficult questions npot yet resolved
14:16:59 <Steven> s/pot/ot/
14:17:27 <Steven> Steven: I should try and dig out the previous discussions
14:17:44 <Steven> Erik: Do they all work though?
14:18:29 <Steven> ... we have functions to access the model properties; if you have any on a control, it wouldn;t propogate back
14:18:43 <Steven> ... and @calculate?
14:19:06 <Steven> Steven: It would be similar to @value that we have on a lot of controls.
14:19:18 <Steven> Erik: We would need to go through all of them.
14:19:30 <Steven> Steven: I think worth evaluating.
14:19:52 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to evaluate effect of MIPs on controls
14:20:37 <Steven> ACTION: Dig out previous discussions on MIPs on controls
14:21:06 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:21:49 <Steven> [None]
14:21:57 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:22:01 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:22:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:23:49 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:23:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:23:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:24:15 <Steven> s/Taks/Talks/
14:24:28 <Steven> s/descend o /descend on /
14:25:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:25:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-forms-minutes.html Steven