IRC log of forms on 2024-04-05

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Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:54:26 [Steven]
Chair: Steven
13:54:36 [Steven]
Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/29-forms-minutes
13:54:43 [Alain]
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13:59:48 [ebruchez]
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14:01:02 [Steven]
Topic: Tracker
14:01:02 [Steven]
https://cwi.nl/~steven/apps/minutes/
14:01:46 [Steven]
Steven: It's not yet perfect, but you can search, and click through to minutes and so on. I'll keep updating it.
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Topic: ACTION: Steven to restructure sections on controls
14:02:45 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Mar/0006
14:02:49 [Steven]
Steven: Continues
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Topic: ACTION-2346: events crossing xforms boundaries [Erik]
14:02:56 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0008
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Erik: Continues
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Topic: Sorting
14:03:08 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Apr/0000
14:07:22 [Steven]
Steven: [Taks through the proposal]
14:07:36 [Steven]
Alain: How about using a sequence for multiple keys
14:07:59 [Steven]
... although sometimes you need to ascend on some keys, and descend o others
14:08:53 [Steven]
... XQuery uses "ascending|descending" for "up|down"; we should normalise.
14:09:02 [Steven]
Erik: There is a problem with keys.
14:10:32 [Steven]
... multiple keys would have to work differently yto how XPath does it.
14:10:39 [Steven]
s/yto/to/
14:11:00 [Steven]
... so having a sequence would not work
14:11:16 [Steven]
... you have reapply the function n times
14:11:55 [Steven]
Steven: Except when adding a new item, which would use log n applications
14:12:45 [Steven]
Erik: I don't think XPath supports multiple keys; xslt does
14:12:55 [Steven]
... (I think)
14:13:05 [Steven]
... they have a sort element
14:13:15 [ebruchez]
https://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/#xsl-sort
14:14:32 [Steven]
Steven: So we still need to deal with multiple keys
14:16:00 [Steven]
... what do you think about the approach in general
14:16:04 [Steven]
Erik: Seems useful
14:16:09 [Steven]
Alain: Yeah]
14:16:13 [Steven]
s/]/
14:16:36 [Steven]
Steven: How about the idea of allowing the bind attributes on controls?
14:16:42 [Steven]
Erik: It makes sense.
14:16:54 [Steven]
... some difficult questions npot yet resolved
14:16:59 [Steven]
s/pot/ot/
14:17:27 [Steven]
Steven: I should try and dig out the previous discussions
14:17:44 [Steven]
Erik: Do they all work though?
14:18:29 [Steven]
... we have functions to access the model properties; if you have any on a control, it wouldn;t propogate back
14:18:43 [Steven]
... and @calculate?
14:19:06 [Steven]
Steven: It would be similar to @value that we have on a lot of controls.
14:19:18 [Steven]
Erik: We would need to go through all of them.
14:19:30 [Steven]
Steven: I think worth evaluating.
14:19:52 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven to evaluate effect of MIPs on controls
14:20:37 [Steven]
ACTION: Dig out previous discussions on MIPs on controls
14:21:06 [Steven]
Topic: AOB
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14:23:49 [Steven]
Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:23:51 [Steven]
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s/Taks/Talks/
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s/descend o /descend on /
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