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14:04:31 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF Slot 1
14:04:50 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato
14:05:04 <kaz> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:05:12 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
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14:07:28 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_3_and_4%2C_2024
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14:09:51 <mahda> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:10:32 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
14:12:29 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster
14:12:45 <cris1> topic: agenda
14:12:59 <cris1> ege: now we added a quick schedule point
14:13:16 <cris1> ... to describe the overall plan for the next calls
14:13:30 <cris1> topic: previous minutes
14:13:39 <cris1> ege: we already reviewed it
14:14:02 <cris1> ... do you have any objections?
14:14:12 <cris1> ... minutes approved
14:14:23 <kaz> i|now we|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-td-minutes.html Mar-27|
14:14:39 <cris1> topic: PRs
14:14:45 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:14:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:14:51 <cris1> ege: we already merge a couple of easy PRs
14:14:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:14:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:17 <cris1> ... the readme was updated with the correct links to the REC and main branch
14:15:27 <cris1> ... I also explained why we are using prettier
14:16:18 <kaz> i|the read|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1970 PR 1970 - Prettier Formatter Version alignment and GH Action|
14:16:28 <cris1> ... any remarks on PR 1992 ?
14:16:45 <Ege> q?
14:16:50 <luca_barbato> q+
14:17:23 <kaz> q+
14:17:48 <cris1> luca: tiny remark we can restrict the actions so that they apply only if something relevant changes
14:17:54 <cris1> ... we can look at it later
14:18:11 <cris1> ege: we have already a filter for it
14:18:18 <kaz> i|the readme|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1992 PR 1992 - Small Readme Improvements|
14:18:26 <cris1> luca: but that is the ignore for priettier
14:18:41 <cris1> ... you can limit also the action activation
14:18:56 <cris1> ege: right, created a issue
14:19:11 <kaz> ack lu
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14:20:05 <cris1> kaz: about previous changes we might improve the text about branch
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14:20:17 <cris1> ege: good point, updating right away
14:20:25 <cris1> kaz: you might add also a link for the implementation report
14:20:30 <cris1> ege: right
14:21:28 <cris1> subtopic: PR #1993
14:21:38 <cris1> ege: there is a respec error shown
14:21:49 <cris1> ... it was my fault
14:22:08 <cris1> ... it is really small change I updated an id
14:22:20 <cris1> ... but there are some formatting changes too
14:22:28 <cris1> ... I'm merging it
14:22:53 <cris1> subtopic: Tool chain
14:23:01 <kaz> i|there is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1993 PR 1993 - Fix respec error on section id|
14:23:20 <cris1> ege: we talked about two PRs last week
14:23:29 <cris1> ... the first is 1989
14:23:51 <cris1> ... I removed the requirements.md file
14:24:07 <cris1> ... the content is under README.md in the toolchain folder
14:24:29 <cris1> ... the rendered document contains the highlevel diagram
14:25:17 <cris1> ... current source of truth consists of many document the goal of this work to transition to something leaner
14:25:25 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/17f2973faa1a54397c7b1b4f1f659288c275d073/toolchain/README.md
14:25:28 <cris1> ... then in the document there is a section about requirements
14:25:35 <cris1> ... nothing changed there
14:25:52 <cris1> ... we still need to think about the requirements of the Input resources
14:25:59 <cris1> ... any questions?
14:26:01 <Ege> q?
14:26:32 <cris1> kaz: I think we should save the requirements.md file
14:26:54 <cris1> ... I mean recorded in the minutes
14:27:00 <kaz> q-
14:27:12 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
14:27:22 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/toolchain/requirements.md is being deleted and the content merged into the toolchain readme
14:29:03 <cris1> ege: about the toolchain analysis file I updated the table with new entries and explanations about the each feature.
14:29:19 <Ege> q?
14:29:21 <cris1> ... we can work later on to add other points
14:29:24 <kaz> q+
14:29:34 <kaz> ack
14:29:37 <kaz> ack k
14:29:41 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ege-toolchain-highlevel/toolchain/tool-analysis.md
14:31:33 <cris1> ege: there are some conflicts
14:31:38 <cris1> ... I'll merge the PR later
14:31:57 <cris1> ... probably something about enconding or line ending
14:32:40 <kaz> q+
14:32:42 <cris1> ege: once we finalize the project management up and running we can tackle the issues regarding the toolchain.
14:32:47 <cris1> ... any other points?
14:32:56 <cris1> kaz: we are getting closer to the final goal
14:33:13 <cris1> ... what to do next?
14:33:36 <cris1> ege: the next small thing to do is filling the table in the tool-analysis.md
14:33:52 <cris1> and at the same time we can start experimenting and publish the results
14:34:07 <cris1> ... madha already has something preliminary
14:34:14 <cris1> s/and/...and/
14:35:38 <cris1> ... from our first study it seems that linkML it is a good candidate
14:35:41 <cris1> ... we can try it
14:35:48 <cris1> ... and get a first feeling
14:36:16 <mjk> q?
14:36:21 <kaz> q-
14:36:30 <luca_barbato> q+
14:36:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:36:43 <cris1> cris: it is a good start
14:36:55 <cris1> ... but the question is who is starting
14:37:08 <cris1> q?
14:37:35 <cris1> luca: if you have oneOf you can support Type/Type[]
14:38:09 <cris1> ... the question is weather we like the output
14:38:17 <cris1> mahda: true good point
14:38:31 <cris1> ... it is supported also with post processing
14:38:43 <cris1> luca: I looked at treeML and TreeLDR
14:38:59 <cris1> s/treeML/linkML/
14:39:13 <cris1> ... LinkML seems better matained
14:39:31 <cris1> ... however TreeLDR is maintained by someone closer to W3C
14:39:48 <cris1> ... both tools have APIs for generations
14:40:02 <cris1> ... it means that we can extend both libraries
14:40:03 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:40:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:40:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:43:01 <cris1> ege: we can start with LinkML
14:43:14 <cris1> ... and presents the results within two weeks or so
14:43:23 <kaz> q+
14:43:29 <luca_barbato> ack l
14:43:29 <Ege> ack l
14:44:00 <cris1> kaz: which is the relationship between our toolchain and respec?
14:44:06 <luca_barbato> q+
14:44:18 <cris1> ... it would be better to combine somehow the toolchain with respec
14:44:35 <cris1> ege: we will keep respec for sure
14:44:45 <kaz> ack k
14:44:49 <cris1> ... we haven't looked at bkeshed
14:45:01 <cris1> s/bkeshed/bikeshed/
14:45:19 <cris1> ... let's keep track of this in a issue
14:45:45 <cris1> luca: bikeshed makes easier to write specifications, it is something we can use but we need a single point of truth
14:46:21 <cris1> ... we can have linkML files to be a SpT and then we can later configure the result with Bikeshed
14:47:13 <kaz> s|which is the relationship between our toolchain and respec?|Maybe this is kind of overkill at the moment, but I've started to wonder about the relationship between our toolchain and ReSpec/Bikeshed.|
14:47:37 <cris1> luca: I'd like to have bikeshed in the toolchain because it can digest MD files.
14:47:48 <kaz> s/it would be better/Technically, it would be even nicer/
14:47:51 <cris1> ... however, it can not be the only tool
14:48:11 <kaz> s/keep respec/keep using ReSpec/
14:48:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:50:25 <cris1> topic: Refectoring
14:50:50 <cris1> ege: in particular it is about refactoring the binding mechanism
14:50:57 <cris1> ... moving it to the TD spec
14:50:59 <cris1> ... we have an issue
14:51:33 <cris1> ... in particular we plan to move chapter 4
14:51:38 <cris1> ... there are some overlaps
14:51:44 <cris1> ... we need a simple plan
14:51:52 <cris1> ... only the core document will be moved
14:52:06 <cris1> ... there might be other working group documents that will be impacted
14:52:19 <cris1> ... from an intial look we pinpointed some overlaps
14:52:31 <kaz> i|in part|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1987 PR 1987 - Moving Binding Mechanism Text to TD|
14:52:50 <cris1> ... we can start by copy&past into the TD spec between chaper 7 and 8
14:53:21 <cris1> ... after this initial PR we can re-arrange the content to fit better
14:53:31 <cris1> ... another way is to move bit by bit
14:53:34 <cris1> q+
14:53:45 <Ege> ack l
14:53:49 <luca_barbato> ack l
14:55:53 <kaz> ack c
14:56:15 <kaz> q+
14:57:36 <cris1> cris: I like the plan A, but maybe we can put the binding section before 7
14:57:47 <cris1> ege: yeah it might work
14:57:54 <cris1> kaz: I agree with plan A too
14:58:05 <cris1> ... we can later improve it in the TD calls
14:58:15 <luca_barbato> q+
14:58:19 <kaz> ack k
14:58:22 <cris1> ... any favorite place for the new section?
14:58:54 <cris1> luca: I don't have it really, which ever is faster.
14:59:01 <cris1> ... just move the text
14:59:19 <cris1> ... we can re-order that later
14:59:22 <cris1> +1
15:00:06 <cris1> ege: we can even re-evaluate the current ordering of the sections in the future
15:01:08 <cris1> ... any other points?
15:01:26 <cris1> [adjourned]
15:01:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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