IRC log of rqtf on 2024-04-03
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
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- meeting: RQTF meeting.
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- chiar: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- scribe+
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- agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/).
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- agenda+ Immersive captions.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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- test
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: jasonjgw, DavidSwallow, John_Paton, janina, scott_h
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- On IRC I see janina, scott_h, JPaton, DavidSwallow, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, Roy, alastairc, Rachael, gb
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html janina
- 13:05:31 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:05:44 [scott_h]
- jason: some questions
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- first issue - made changes following meeting to editors draft
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- - section 1.4: impications of cognitive issues with collaborative envrionments, barriers to wide variety of AT users
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- Changes supported by Scott and Janina
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- - seciton 6.3
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- amendment to note clarifying change histories
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- made change to explain what is repsonsibility fo collaboration tool, and wht is responsibility of the user of the tool
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- referncing collaborative process in section 1.5
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- janina: good to acknowlede that humans are part of solution,
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- jason: if noticed other places fo rthis, shoudl add
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- - agreed to dicuss seciotn 9: requirements but not specific / catch-all seciton of dcument
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- too brad, except for example of keyboard conventions and compatibility with AT
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- i.e. revision tracking, comments already covered elsewhere
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- have recongised issue
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- Agreed that there were concerns on how to cover issues while at the same time be practical/useful
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- janina: maybe use practicable phrase?
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- jason: web applicaitons don't always follow desktop/windowing system, or app conventions that ocme with OS
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- issue with whether web apps should be more desktop-like or web-like when running in web browser
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- also if happen t have a good perfence system for UI, some oculd be handled
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- but dn't have ag ood mechanism on web but can be done on per-app basis
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- janina: articles coudl be referenced on to what articles address web app v desktop app interface
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- scott: I'm in a position to look at this
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- jason: great
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- janina: yes, want to document that there's reasoned arguments on both side, issues and barriers
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- jason: web devleoper dones't know what's familiar so they make choices
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- scott: will pull togethr a lit review
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- jason: could be standalone info in Seciton 9
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- then examples coudl be separate point
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2024Apr/0006.html
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html janina
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- jason: aside from intro, the rest of feedback is Seciton 9
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- present+
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- janina: can join COGA call to look at editoral tweaks
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- happywit most edits, careful with WCAG gap reference wording
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- to keep neutral,
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- everyithng else Secitgon 9
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- as dicusse don design patterns web v desktlop app design
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- jasON; and supporting AT that support collaborative operaitons - revision, comment, etc
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- basically if COGA are happy wiht seciton 108, then that's a good place and now have steps on Seciton 9
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- jason: put nto place suggestions infomally agred,
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- then AT support as second point
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- and looking for exmaples of short series of process, windows tabs etc as applies to collaborative featuers
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- jason; can we get edits in before COGA call on Monday,
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- jason: will endeavour to update today
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- janina: were in the early design phase of this doucment
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- now fnished its process, APA asked to sign off
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- would want RQTF to review first
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- scott: gropu review?
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- janina: let's all ready and dicuss next week on any issues
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- raja: final documentation is getting done, ready in one week
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- will meet with them today
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- janina: if you sent email to RQTF list and its ready to move to NOte track, we can tehn read it and review
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- after that it goes to APA wide review
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- jason: yes, as soon as the group is ready we'll review
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- raja: great. ALso hopiong ot get a final answer today, and afer that will email all
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:51:32 [scott_h]
- jason: interesting article publisehd by Linux weekly news
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- new dectralised tool - a bit like GitHub / GitLab, web interface that runs locally
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- so different collaborative tool
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, DavidSwallow, John_Paton, janina, scott_h
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items