IRC log of wot on 2024-03-27

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meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster
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regrets+ Sebastian
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chair: McCool, Koster
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present+ David_Ezell
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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
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regrets+ Mahda
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topic: Minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-minutes.html Mar-27
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topic: cancellations
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s/topic: cancellations//
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s/cancellations/minutes
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topic: minutes
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q+
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mm: any objections?
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...minutes approved
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s/topic: minutes//
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topic: calendar entry
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mm: calendar entry for IRC is wrong now
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kaz: will look into it
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topic: time change
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s/topic: calendar entry/topic: Quick items/
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i/calendar/subtopic: IRC change/
12:12:16 [mjk]
mm: daylight savings time starting in Europe next week
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q+
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mm: reminder, the meetings are based on US Eastern time
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topic: charter
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s/charter/IG charter
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kaz: will send another extension request today for 3 months
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topic: profile call
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i|send|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 strategy issue 440|
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q+
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ack k
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mm: will review profile later in the TF report
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topic: announcement
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s/announcement/Notices/
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ege: JSON Schema is starting up its own standardization body
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-> https://github.com/orgs/json-schema-org/discussions/671 json schema discussion 671
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... They are creating a charter and developing their life cycle process
12:17:15 [kaz]
i|They|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108 strategy issue 108|
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q+
12:17:44 [mjk]
mm: this could cause problems if it's not endorsed by W3C for normative references
12:17:59 [webirc34]
Not having JSON Schema endorsed would give Conexxus trouble, too.
12:18:00 [kaz]
present+ Jan_Romann
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ack k
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s/Not/David: Not/
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kaz: this is under consideration in W3C strategy
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topic: meetups
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mm: cleaned up some of the entries
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ege: W3C Solid CG are forming a WG
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q+
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s/W3C Solid CG are forming a WG/There is a proposed Charter for Solid WG./
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s/forming/proposing a charter for
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q-
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q+
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topic: calendar entries for CG events
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mm: CG events could be added to IG and WG calendars, is there a policy issue with this?
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kaz: we should think about a feedback process from CG to the main group so people don't have to attend
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mm: people may want to know about the meetings
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kaz: people can subscribe to the calendars
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mm: ideally there would be a written summary or report from the CG back to the IG/WG
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q?
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q-
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q+
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ege: there is a template for use case feedback
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mm: we could link to event summaries in the main call agenda
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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s/summaries/summaries and calendar entries
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q-
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mm: anything from JP CG?
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s/feedback/feedback. We (as the WoT CG) would like to look into that./
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q+
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mizushima-san: the JP CG are planning an event
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kaz: The JP CG are working on a use case template
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sub-topic: hiveMQ community event
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ege: there was good attendance and it was well organized
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mm: we should capture any requirements that might emerge
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ege: there was a question about discovery integration with TD
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mm: there is no standard for MQTT discovery, it may be an opportunity for WoT
12:29:46 [kaz]
s/The JP CG are working on a use case template/Quick correction for Mizushima-san's report. The JP CG are interested in organizing a possible Ideathon, but still working on how to bring their feedback to the WoT-IG as a use case description./
12:29:55 [mjk]
... maybe shopld discuss with OASIS
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s/shopld/should
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q-
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topic: schedule
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mm: holidays are next week and AC meetings are the week after
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... also Hanover Messe is coming up and people will be busy
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s/topic: schedule/topic: Meeting schedule/
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... We are planning a chairs call but cancelling the main call
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i|holidays|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
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q+
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mm: any other cancellations?
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s/but cancelling the main call/because we'll have the main call on April 3/
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s/but cancelling/and are holding
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q+
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q-
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q+
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mm: any other cancellations?
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ack t
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mizushima-san: profile call con April 9 conflicts with the AC meeting
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s/con/on
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q+
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ack k
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q+
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luca: would like to make progress offline through email and issues
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ack dape
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dape: difficult to make progress w.r.t. profile within Siemens since many people are on vacation
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q+
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ack k
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topic: F2F planning
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i|F2F|kaz: @@@|
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mm: haven't finalized date or logistics, but expecting Siemens to host in Berlin
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q+ to talk about CG and other community involvement
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning f2f wiki
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q+
12:44:54 [mjk]
mm: please fill in your attendance plans in the table
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ege: what about involvement of people in the CG and outside the WG/IG?
12:45:53 [kaz]
s/@@@/FYI, Mizushima-san is thinking about publication schedule for Use Cases and Requirements Note (UCR) so that UCR Note can provide input to the spec work earlier./
12:45:55 [mjk]
mm: Open day and the plugfest are open
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ege: we could invite guests on a one time basis
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q?
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ack e
12:47:04 [Zakim]
Ege, you wanted to talk about CG and other community involvement
12:47:06 [mjk]
mm: agree, not an open invitation but on a case by case basis
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kaz: we should clarify the basic agenda more so we can structure the participation
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q+
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ack k
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ack e
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q+
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ege: will send an email to the CG when we have the final schedule
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ack k
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kaz: CG members are welcome for the Open day but not for the F2F, not sure about the plugfest yet
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s/for the F2F/for the F2F (need to see the necessity)/
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topic: profiles update
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i|topic: pro|topic: Resources|
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luca: had the first profile meeting to discuss work to do and how to proceed
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we have about 5o issues and a couple of PRs
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s/we/...we
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i|topic: pro|mm: there will joint discussion during the TD slot 2 call tomorrow on March 28. I'll also joint that call.|
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... we have about 8 people involverd
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i|had the|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html Mar-19 Profile minutes|
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q?
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q+
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q+
12:55:28 [mjk]
luca: first priority is profile 1, http is a candidate for a REC
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... not sure about webhooks interoperability
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s/http is/HTTP Profile is/
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q?
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q++
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... expect to provide information for the TD work
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qq+
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q- +
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luca: do we want to publish profile 1 as a REC?
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mm: we can't resolve the question now, we need to handle it asynchronously
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ack m
12:57:58 [Zakim]
McCool, you wanted to react to kaz
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ack d
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kaz: agree, we need to clarify the points on the github issue
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topic: policy issues
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i|policy|dape: Note that actions are part of basic profile.. so I think all 3 kinds of profile are questionable|
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q+
13:00:06 [mjk]
mm: please look at the github issues on policy and prepare to discuss
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kaz: when can we discuss?
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... unavailable on April 10th
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mm: we could extend the meeting on April 3
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mm: discuss later
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mm: AOB?
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mm: adjourned
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