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12:02:02 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:02:41 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster
12:02:47 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
12:02:55 <kaz> chair: McCool, Koster
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12:04:52 <webirc34> present+ David_Ezell
12:05:02 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:05:12 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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12:05:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:05:37 <kaz> regrets+ Mahda
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12:08:01 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:08:14 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-minutes.html Mar-27
12:08:24 <mjk> topic: cancellations
12:08:44 <kaz> s/topic: cancellations//
12:08:47 <mjk> s/cancellations/minutes
12:09:02 <mjk> topic: minutes
12:09:12 <kaz> q+
12:09:13 <mjk> mm: any objections?
12:09:19 <mjk> ...minutes approved
12:09:28 <kaz> s/topic: minutes//
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12:11:12 <mjk> topic: calendar entry
12:11:28 <mjk> mm: calendar entry for IRC is wrong now
12:11:38 <mjk> kaz: will look into it
12:11:45 <mjk> topic: time change
12:11:50 <kaz> s/topic: calendar entry/topic: Quick items/
12:11:59 <kaz> i/calendar/subtopic: IRC change/
12:12:16 <mjk> mm: daylight savings time starting in Europe next week
12:12:36 <kaz> q+
12:12:36 <mjk> mm: reminder, the meetings are based on US Eastern time
12:12:41 <mjk> topic: charter
12:12:53 <mjk> s/charter/IG charter
12:13:35 <mjk> kaz: will send another extension request today for 3 months
12:14:15 <mjk> topic: profile call
12:14:17 <kaz> i|send|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 strategy issue 440|
12:14:19 <kaz> q+
12:14:43 <kaz> ack k
12:14:56 <mjk> mm: will review profile later in the TF report
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12:15:44 <mjk> topic: announcement
12:16:19 <kaz> s/announcement/Notices/
12:16:21 <mjk> ege: JSON Schema is starting up its own standardization body
12:16:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/orgs/json-schema-org/discussions/671 json schema discussion 671
12:16:59 <mjk> ... They are creating a charter and developing their life cycle process
12:17:15 <kaz> i|They|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108 strategy issue 108|
12:17:23 <kaz> q+
12:17:44 <mjk> mm: this could cause problems if it's not endorsed by W3C for normative references
12:17:59 <webirc34> Not having JSON Schema endorsed would give Conexxus trouble, too.
12:18:00 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
12:18:30 <kaz> ack k
12:18:49 <kaz> s/Not/David: Not/
12:18:58 <mjk> kaz: this is under consideration in W3C strategy
12:19:07 <mjk> topic: meetups
12:19:37 <mjk> mm: cleaned up some of the entries
12:20:09 <mjk> ege: W3C Solid CG are forming a WG
12:20:18 <kaz> q+
12:20:49 <kaz> s/W3C Solid CG are forming a WG/There is a proposed Charter for Solid WG./
12:20:50 <mjk> s/forming/proposing a charter for
12:21:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:21:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:21:17 <kaz> q-
12:21:20 <kaz> q+
12:21:56 <mjk> topic: calendar entries for CG events
12:22:27 <mjk> mm: CG events could be added to IG and WG calendars, is there a policy issue with this?
12:22:58 <mjk> kaz: we should think about a feedback process from CG to the main group so people don't have to attend
12:23:37 <mjk> mm: people may want to know about the meetings
12:23:53 <mjk> kaz: people can subscribe to the calendars
12:24:30 <mjk> mm: ideally there would be a written summary or report from the CG back to the IG/WG
12:24:42 <kaz> q?
12:24:44 <kaz> q-
12:24:46 <kaz> q+
12:24:46 <mjk> ege: there is a template for use case feedback
12:25:19 <mjk> mm: we could link to event summaries in the main call agenda
12:25:27 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:25:39 <mjk> s/summaries/summaries and calendar entries
12:25:40 <kaz> q-
12:25:59 <mjk> mm: anything from JP CG?
12:26:02 <kaz> s/feedback/feedback. We (as the WoT CG) would like to look into that./
12:26:11 <kaz> q+
12:26:35 <mjk> mizushima-san: the JP CG are planning an event
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12:27:27 <mjk> kaz: The JP CG are working on a use case template
12:27:56 <mjk> sub-topic: hiveMQ community event
12:28:11 <mjk> ege: there was good attendance and it was well organized
12:28:48 <mjk> mm: we should capture any requirements that might emerge
12:29:09 <mjk> ege: there was a question about discovery integration with TD
12:29:39 <mjk> mm: there is no standard for MQTT discovery, it may be an opportunity for WoT
12:29:46 <kaz> s/The JP CG are working on a use case template/Quick correction for Mizushima-san's report. The JP CG are interested in organizing a possible Ideathon, but still working on how to bring their feedback to the WoT-IG as a use case description./
12:29:55 <mjk> ... maybe shopld discuss with OASIS
12:30:05 <mjk> s/shopld/should
12:30:05 <kaz> q-
12:30:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:30:29 <mjk> topic: schedule
12:30:54 <mjk> mm: holidays are next week and AC meetings are the week after
12:31:11 <mjk> ... also Hanover Messe is coming up and people will be busy
12:31:32 <kaz> s/topic: schedule/topic: Meeting schedule/
12:31:44 <mjk> ... We are planning a chairs call but cancelling the main call
12:31:46 <kaz> i|holidays|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
12:32:24 <kaz> q+
12:32:38 <mjk> mm: any other cancellations?
12:33:11 <kaz> s/but cancelling the main call/because we'll have the main call on April 3/
12:33:12 <mjk> s/but cancelling/and are holding
12:33:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:33:56 <kaz> q+
12:36:19 <kaz> q-
12:36:21 <Tomo> q+
12:36:43 <mjk> mm: any other cancellations?
12:37:05 <kaz> ack t
12:37:28 <mjk> mizushima-san: profile call con April 9 conflicts with the AC meeting
12:37:42 <mjk> s/con/on
12:38:00 <kaz> q+
12:38:12 <kaz> ack k
12:38:57 <dape> q+
12:39:06 <mjk> luca: would like to make progress offline through email and issues
12:40:48 <kaz> ack dape
12:41:36 <mjk> dape: difficult to make progress w.r.t. profile within Siemens since many people are on vacation
12:41:56 <kaz> q+
12:43:04 <kaz> ack k
12:43:39 <mjk> topic: F2F planning
12:43:52 <kaz> i|F2F|kaz: @@@|
12:44:07 <mjk> mm: haven't finalized date or logistics, but expecting Siemens to host in Berlin
12:44:07 <Ege> q+ to talk about CG and other community involvement
12:44:11 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning f2f wiki
12:44:17 <kaz> q+
12:44:54 <mjk> mm: please fill in your attendance plans in the table
12:45:34 <mjk> ege: what about involvement of people in the CG and outside the WG/IG?
12:45:53 <kaz> s/@@@/FYI, Mizushima-san is thinking about publication schedule for Use Cases and Requirements Note (UCR) so that UCR Note can provide input to the spec work earlier./
12:45:55 <mjk> mm: Open day and the plugfest are open
12:46:39 <mjk> ege: we could invite guests on a one time basis
12:47:02 <kaz> q?
12:47:04 <kaz> ack e
12:47:04 <Zakim> Ege, you wanted to talk about CG and other community involvement
12:47:06 <mjk> mm: agree, not an open invitation but on a case by case basis
12:47:52 <mjk> kaz: we should clarify the basic agenda more so we can structure the participation
12:48:41 <Ege> q+
12:49:45 <kaz> ack k
12:50:55 <kaz> ack e
12:50:56 <kaz> q+
12:51:34 <mjk> ege: will send an email to the CG when we have the final schedule
12:52:15 <kaz> ack k
12:52:30 <mjk> kaz: CG members are welcome for the Open day but not for the F2F, not sure about the plugfest yet
12:53:06 <kaz> s/for the F2F/for the F2F (need to see the necessity)/
12:53:37 <mjk> topic: profiles update
12:53:54 <kaz> i|topic: pro|topic: Resources|
12:54:04 <mjk> luca: had the first profile meeting to discuss work to do and how to proceed
12:54:18 <mjk> we have about 5o issues and a couple of PRs
12:54:27 <mjk> s/we/...we
12:54:27 <kaz> i|topic: pro|mm: there will joint discussion during the TD slot 2 call tomorrow on March 28. I'll also joint that call.|
12:54:41 <mjk> ... we have about 8 people involverd
12:55:07 <kaz> i|had the|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html Mar-19 Profile minutes|
12:55:20 <kaz> q?
12:55:28 <dape> q+
12:55:28 <kaz> q+
12:55:28 <mjk> luca: first priority is profile 1, http is a candidate for a REC
12:55:44 <mjk> ... not sure about webhooks interoperability
12:56:15 <kaz> s/http is/HTTP Profile is/
12:56:20 <dape> q?
12:56:43 <McCool> q++
12:56:54 <mjk> ... expect to provide information for the TD work
12:57:01 <McCool> qq+
12:57:14 <kaz> q- +
12:57:25 <mjk> luca: do we want to publish profile 1 as a REC?
12:57:49 <mjk> mm: we can't resolve the question now, we need to handle it asynchronously
12:57:58 <McCool> ack m
12:57:58 <Zakim> McCool, you wanted to react to kaz
12:58:33 <kaz> ack d
12:59:03 <mjk> kaz: agree, we need to clarify the points on the github issue
12:59:27 <mjk> topic: policy issues
12:59:39 <kaz> i|policy|dape: Note that actions are part of basic profile.. so I think all 3 kinds of profile are questionable|
12:59:52 <kaz> q+
13:00:06 <mjk> mm: please look at the github issues on policy and prepare to discuss
13:00:27 <mjk> kaz: when can we discuss?
13:01:57 <mjk> ... unavailable on April 10th
13:02:36 <mjk> mm: we could extend the meeting on April 3
13:02:45 <mjk> mm: discuss later
13:02:50 <mjk> mm: AOB?
13:02:57 <mjk> mm: adjourned
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