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14:01:45 <TallTed> present+
14:01:47 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:01:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
14:01:50 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:01:51 <TallTed> meeting: RDF-star Semantics TF
14:01:53 <TallTed> chair: ?chair?
14:01:55 <TallTed> scribe: ?scribe?
14:01:57 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d0cd306-0be8-4267-865a-6272cc8d9da4/20240322T100000/
14:01:57 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:01:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Continue discussion on normal form and semantics
14:02:13 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF-Star WG -- 2024-03-22 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d0cd306-0be8-4267-865a-6272cc8d9da4/20240322T100000/
14:02:27 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html
14:02:37 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
14:02:43 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
14:02:59 <TallTed> present+ pfps, tl
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14:03:17 <TallTed> present+ niklas, souri
14:03:19 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
14:03:19 <Zakim> Present: TallTed, pfps, tl, niklas, souri
14:03:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see tl, RRSAgent, Zakim, TallTed, AndyS, agendabot, ktk, Tpt, pchampin, driib5, gb, gtw, csarven, rhiaro, AnthonySpencer, VladimirAlexiev, SintayewGashaw, Timothe,
14:03:21 <Zakim> ... smoothsalt, joraboi445
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14:04:48 <Souri> present+
14:04:56 <tl> present+
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14:09:22 <Souri> Only five of us are on zoom. Were there many regrets for this TF meeting?
14:09:44 <TallTed> regrets+ pchampin
14:10:15 <tl> Ora said yetserday that he won't be able to join
14:10:15 <AndyS> will be along in a moment
14:10:24 <TallTed> no regrets on the mailing list
14:10:34 <TallTed> regrets+ ora
14:10:35 <tl> s/yetserday/yesterday
14:13:45 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:13:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
14:14:15 <niklasl> Something to think about: Should there be an OWL class that rdf:reifies belongs to? (Neither owl:DatatypeProperty, nor owl:ObjectProperty?)
14:16:17 <Souri> +1 to "reifier" for the subject of rdf:reifies
14:16:44 <TallTed> rdf:reifies, Domain "reification domain", Range "reification range".
14:18:40 <niklasl> Google result: https://www.yourdictionary.com/reifier > "One who reifies."
14:19:36 <Souri> We do need a name for the "subject" used in a rdf::reifies statement.
14:21:46 <TallTed> Zakim, open agenda item 1
14:21:46 <Zakim> 'item\ 1' does not match any agenda item, TallTed
14:21:49 <Souri> We may not need to talk frequently about the entity who asserted the rdf:reifies statement. Given that, I like reifier as a way of referring to the subject.
14:21:54 <TallTed> Zakim, open first agenda item
14:21:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open first agenda item', TallTed
14:22:01 <TallTed> zakim, start agenda
14:22:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start agenda', TallTed
14:22:06 <TallTed> zakim, next agenda item
14:22:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Continue discussion on normal form and semantics -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:29:11 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:29:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
14:29:59 <niklasl> https://www.yourdictionary.com/reification > "The consideration of an abstract thing as if it were concrete, or of an inanimate object as if it were living." So, "concretization"?
14:31:36 <niklasl> <liz> :spouse <richard> . <richard> :spouse <liz> . # Both are reified by the marriage (an event, the more concrete way of conceiving the relationship)?
14:36:03 <niklasl> Or, in OWL, is rdf:reifies an owl:FunctionalProperty?
14:36:28 <niklasl> (Example above implies that it should not be.)
14:37:26 <Souri> <reifier same or different?, tterm same or different?> => four possibilities, if we enumerate. We should think of possible ways of interpreting or managing all of these possibilities (eg., when merging).
14:39:13 <niklasl> No one wants rdf:reifies to be an inverse functional property... (AFAICS)
14:41:39 <niklasl> ex:TripleToken rdfs:subClassOf [ a owl:Restriction ; owl:onProperty rdf:reifies ; owl:cardinality 1 ] . # A triple token is effectively functional in relation to the triple term.
14:52:21 <niklasl> A graph is a set of triples, but a set of triples is not *necessarily* a graph.
14:55:37 <TallTed> enrico: noted in chat --
14:55:37 <TallTed> ```
14:55:37 <TallTed> << :b1 | :enrico :born-in :rome >> :on-date 1962 .
14:55:37 <TallTed> << :b1 | :enrico :born-on 1962 >> :location :rome .
14:55:37 <TallTed> ```
14:55:42 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:55:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
14:55:50 <Souri> It should be sufficient to discuss these two (not all four) of the enumerations, right? 1) :e rdf:reifies <<( :s1 :p1 :o1 )>>,  <<( :s2 :p2 :o2 )>> . 2) :e1 rdf:reifies <<( :s :p :o )>>, :e2 rdf:reifies <<( :s :p : o )>>.
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14:55:55 <enrico> present+
14:56:07 <enrico> << :b1 | :enrico :born-in :rome >> :on-date 1962 .
14:56:17 <enrico> << :b1 | :enrico :born-on 1962 >> :location :rome .
14:56:27 <niklasl> present+
14:57:47 <TallTed> s/enrico: noted in chat/enrico noted in zoom chat/
15:08:59 <Souri> An interesting case=> :e rdf:reifies <<( :john :SSN 123456789 )>>, <<( :john :SSN 234567891 )>> . (and :SSN is supposed to be unique for a person).
15:10:56 <niklasl> Then :e a :Fallacy ?
15:14:24 <niklasl> The domain layer would still allow this, yes.
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15:15:57 <TallTed> a couple of code fence tests (see minutes for result): `one inline backtick`, ```three inline backtick```
15:16:01 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:16:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
15:16:30 <TallTed> s/a couple of code fence tests (see minutes for result): `one inline backtick`, ```three inline backtick```//
15:17:51 <TallTed> s/?chair?/none
15:17:51 <TallTed> s/?scribe?/none
15:18:03 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:18:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
15:20:38 <Souri> I was thinking of <| ... |> as an alternative. Would that work?
15:20:59 <niklasl> This is would work too <{ :s :p :o }> *grin*
15:21:23 <doerthe> Thank you for generating the minutes Ted, I was late  and wanted to catch up :)
15:22:49 <doerthe> we dropped keywords in N3 at some point
15:24:13 <tl> doerthe: why?
15:26:35 <TallTed> EBCDIC
15:35:29 <AndyS> pfps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-EBCDIC
15:57:48 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:57:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
15:59:19 <TallTed> Zakim, end meeting
15:59:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, pfps, tl, niklas, souri, enrico, niklasl
15:59:21 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:59:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/22-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:59:33 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
15:59:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items