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11:58:16 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
11:58:51 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barbato
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12:02:36 <mlagally> zakim, who is on the call?
12:02:36 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barbato
12:03:59 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:25 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profile_-_Mar_19th%2C_2024
12:08:56 <kaz> q+
12:09:23 <kaz> regrets+ Ege
12:10:12 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:10:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:11:29 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:11:50 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-profile-minutes.html minutes from 19 April 2023 call
12:12:05 <kaz> chair: Luca
12:12:14 <kaz> lb: (goes through the minutes)
12:13:06 <kaz> ... discussio about Testfest prep
12:13:18 <kaz> q+
12:13:43 <kaz> ... any objections?
12:13:45 <kaz> none
12:13:47 <kaz> approved
12:13:49 <mlagally> lb: Minutes are approved
12:13:51 <kaz> ack k
12:14:30 <kaz> s/lb: Minutes are approved//
12:14:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:14:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:15:39 <kaz> topic: Retrospective
12:16:08 <kaz> ml: (summarizes what happened so far)
12:16:42 <kaz> ... wrote a document on what to do
12:16:47 <kaz> q+
12:17:25 <kaz> ack k
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12:17:45 <kaz> s/what to do/a strawman idea/
12:18:05 <kaz> q?
12:18:07 <kaz> q+
12:18:47 <mlagally> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifrefFp4CFAxWG_rsIHc7gAxYQFnoECBYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fwot-profile%2F&usg=AOvVaw2zCDTbPTIiBxg--wH2Xuat&opi=89978449
12:19:06 <kaz> ack k
12:19:49 <kaz> kaz: we should describe what we've done and what we should for the next step
12:19:55 <kaz> ml: agree
12:19:57 <Tomo> +1 for kaz
12:20:05 <kaz> ... (shows the current WoT Profile Note)
12:20:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-profile/ WoT Profile WD - 18 Jan 2023
12:20:49 <kaz> ml: (goes through the WD)
12:20:52 <kaz> ack k
12:22:03 <kaz> ... currently, we have HTTP Basic Profile, HTTP SSE Profile and HTTP Webhook Profile
12:22:15 <kaz> ... also we have remaining GitHub Issues
12:22:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues wot-profile issues
12:23:12 <kaz> ml: Luca and myself went through those issues but didn't close anything
12:23:28 <luca_barbato> q+
12:23:44 <kaz> ... in addition, there are several implementations
12:23:49 <kaz> ... from Ben and Siemens
12:23:58 <kaz> lb: also my implementation
12:24:14 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:25:07 <mlagally> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-profile/main/testing/report.html
12:25:16 <kaz> ml: and then, the testing area includes basic input for the potential Implementation Report (as above)
12:25:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:26:01 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/tree/main/testing wot-profile/testing area
12:26:33 <kaz> ml: happy to have Luca leading the discussion for WoT Profile now
12:26:37 <dape> q+
12:26:41 <kaz> q+
12:26:42 <kaz> ack lu
12:26:50 <kaz> ack d
12:27:17 <kaz> lb: would like to finalize WoT Profile 1.0 asap
12:27:43 <dape> q+
12:28:10 <kaz> ... we should complete the WoT Profile with the current 3 profiles
12:28:22 <kaz> ... then could work on WoT Profile 2.0
12:28:41 <kaz> ... so that WoT Profile would fit improved TD/Binding
12:29:03 <kaz> ... my perception is that WoT Profile is still needed for WoT
12:29:41 <kaz> ... TD is powerful and flexible, but there is something that can't be described by TD only
12:30:04 <kaz> q?
12:31:19 <kaz> ack k
12:31:31 <mlagally> q+
12:31:48 <kaz> kaz: handling the WoT Profile 1.0 based on the current WD is one possibility
12:32:04 <kaz> ... but given we're already on the new Charter for WoT 2.0
12:32:31 <kaz> ... and the other TFs are working on spec refactoring to see what to be described by which spec
12:32:47 <kaz> ... I'd suggest we also should think about refactoring for WoT Profile spec too
12:33:17 <kaz> lb: as for Profile, we have something almost ready for publication (for 1.0 version)
12:34:10 <kaz> ... I'm sure WoT Profile 1.0 with some simple tweaks would be useful for interoperability purposes
12:34:49 <kaz> ... once we've finalized the WoT Profile 1.0 (as REC), we can work on WoT 2.0
12:35:09 <mlagally> +1
12:35:17 <kaz> ack k
12:35:20 <kaz> ack d
12:35:34 <kaz> dp: sounds we want to have two separate tracks
12:35:39 <kaz> ... one is WoT Profile 1.0
12:35:49 <kaz> ... then WoT Profile 2.0 along with TD 2.0
12:35:59 <kaz> ... but not really sure about the timeline for WoT Profile 1.0
12:36:08 <kaz> ... we need to publish CR, PR and then REC
12:36:21 <kaz> ... and the procedure would take much longer than our expectation
12:36:24 <kaz> ... e.g., longer than 6 months
12:36:56 <kaz> ... is your expectation for the first option really making the current WD a W3C REC?
12:37:17 <kaz> lb: we can publish a CR in one month
12:37:41 <kaz> ... then we can publish a PR asis if there is no big change
12:38:01 <kaz> ... the procedure should not take long
12:38:57 <kaz> ... we need to clarify what is important here
12:39:10 <dape> q+
12:39:18 <kaz> q+
12:39:56 <kaz> ... we should a document ready for a Note, and a document good for a REC
12:40:07 <kaz> s/should/should have/
12:40:09 <dape> q+
12:40:58 <kaz> ml: that's true we need refactoring of the documents
12:41:18 <kaz> ... but the scope of the WoT Profile itself has not changed
12:42:17 <kaz> ... WoT Profile spec itself is very important for interoperability purposes
12:43:04 <kaz> ack ml
12:43:33 <kaz> dp: the problem I think is it's not really ready for a REC
12:43:45 <kaz> ... also have some conflicts with the TD spec
12:44:14 <kaz> ... HTTP basic profile might be OK, but how to handle the actions is still problematic
12:44:21 <Tomo> q+
12:44:29 <mlagally> ++q
12:44:33 <mlagally> q++
12:44:43 <kaz> ... so makes me a bit concerned
12:44:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:44:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:44:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:45:02 <luca_barbato> q+
12:45:10 <kaz> ack d
12:45:16 <dape> ack dape
12:45:17 <kaz> qq+ mlagally
12:45:21 <kaz> q- +
12:45:53 <kaz> ml: can you document those issues?
12:46:05 <kaz> dp: we've already documented them...
12:46:08 <kaz> ack ml
12:46:08 <Zakim> mlagally, you wanted to react to dape
12:46:29 <kaz> lb: wanted to see them beforehand
12:48:13 <dape> DP: parts of the issues I mentioned is in https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/259#issuecomment-1210627679
12:48:44 <mlagally> q+
12:49:34 <kaz> kaz: 1, 2 and 3
12:49:47 <kaz> ... need to document what we as the TF want to do
12:49:51 <kaz> ... then bring it to the whole WG
12:49:57 <kaz> ... and get approval as the WG plan
12:50:00 <kaz> ack k
12:50:07 <kaz> @@@
12:50:31 <kaz> mizu: we need to refactor the WoT Profile document
12:50:52 <kaz> ... because the document structure at the moment is complicated unfortunately
12:51:07 <kaz> ... we need what is described by which document
12:51:15 <kaz> ... and also what to be standardized
12:51:18 <kaz> q?
12:51:22 <kaz> ack t
12:51:51 <kaz> lb: Kaz's proposal sounds good
12:51:58 <kaz> ... let's give the topics priority
12:52:19 <kaz> ... we can solve the issues either by marking the profile compatibility barrier
12:52:30 <kaz> ... and see the feasibility
12:53:12 <kaz> ... regarding the problem around how to handle actions, the problem should be discussed for WoT 2.0
12:53:30 <kaz> ... WoT Profile 1.0 to be served for TD 1.0
12:53:49 <kaz> ... even though the usage is restricted
12:53:56 <mlagally> s/TD 1.0/TD 1.1/
12:53:58 <kaz> s/TD 1.0/TD 1.1/
12:54:17 <kaz> ... if there is any compatibility issue, we have to solve it
12:54:22 <mlagally> q?
12:54:26 <kaz> ... ack lu
12:54:32 <kaz> s/... ack lu//
12:55:11 <kaz> ... something may not be able to be handled properly with WoT Profile 1.0, but that's OK
12:55:22 <kaz> q?
12:55:24 <kaz> ack lu
12:55:29 <kaz> ack ml
12:55:52 <kaz> ml: my proposal is closing the issues marked as "Profile 1.0"
12:56:12 <kaz> q+
12:56:26 <kaz> ... then think about the next steps
12:56:52 <kaz> ... get a solid WD candidate and publish it as an updated WD
12:56:56 <kaz> q?
12:57:17 <kaz> kaz: clarification question
12:57:28 <kaz> ... what do you mean by "closing"?
12:57:34 <kaz> ... just closing?
12:57:48 <kaz> ... or discuss them and address them, and then close them?
12:57:51 <kaz> ml: latter
12:58:31 <kaz> kaz: ok
12:58:48 <kaz> ... given we only have 2 more minutes, we should clarify the next steps
12:58:54 <kaz> ... who to do what?
12:58:57 <kaz> lb: ok
12:59:13 <kaz> ... Daniel, please clarify problems from your viewpoint
12:59:34 <kaz> q?
12:59:36 <kaz> q-
12:59:41 <kaz> q+
12:59:51 <kaz> ... I also would like to clarify my points too
13:00:24 <mlagally> q+
13:00:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:00:36 <kaz> ack k
13:01:16 <kaz> ack ml
13:01:34 <kaz> kaz: all, please document your proposals
13:01:51 <kaz> ml: when to meet next?
13:01:56 <kaz> ... in two weeks?
13:02:09 <kaz> lb: have to look into the calendar
13:02:21 <kaz> ... next week is not good anyway
13:02:39 <kaz> ml: next 2 weeks, I'd say
13:02:59 <kaz> lb: will meet on Apr-9
13:03:15 <kaz> kaz: AC meeting on April 8-9
13:03:43 <kaz> ... let's have the discussion on the schedule by email
13:03:45 <kaz> lb: ok
13:03:47 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:03:56 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:04:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:04:16 <kaz> s/ok/ok, please give your input/
13:04:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/19-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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