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14:52:04 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:11 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
14:52:38 <julierawe> Meeting: Clear Language Subgroup
14:52:51 <julierawe> date: 14 mar 2024
14:52:59 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
14:52:59 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:53:17 <julierawe> Agenda+ Internationalization update
14:53:43 <julierawe> Agenda+ WCAG 3 update
14:54:23 <julierawe> Agenda+ Outcome: Explain implied meaning in figurative language
14:54:29 <julierawe> [resent+
14:54:32 <julierawe> present+
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15:01:58 <JMcSorley> zakim, start meeting
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15:01:59 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:02:31 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
15:02:37 <julierawe> Meeting: Clear Language Subgroup
15:02:47 <julierawe> date: 14 mar 2024
15:02:56 <julierawe> Agenda+ Internationalization update
15:03:01 <julierawe> Agenda+ WCAG 3 update
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15:03:17 <tburtin> present+
15:03:27 <julierawe> present+
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15:03:57 <JMcSorley> present+ Jan
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15:04:14 <julierawe> agenda, next item
15:04:19 <lisa> present+
15:04:26 <lisa> agenda?
15:04:38 <lisa> next item
15:06:06 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2024/03/14/proposed-group-accessibility-internationalization-community-group/
15:06:41 <julierawe> Lisa published proposal to form the group
15:06:52 <julierawe> We are waiting for i18n to give feedback
15:09:13 <julierawe> Julie suggested Jan send follow-up to i18n
15:09:24 <julierawe> Lisa suggested keeping the email short
15:10:13 <julierawe> Lisa: Ket them we put up a proposal and would be deligthed if i18n wants to co-chair
15:11:20 <julierawe> Julie shared concerns about mixed messages
15:11:32 <julierawe> Lisa: We might be bringing up things they might have forgotten
15:12:23 <julierawe> Lisa: Possibly we can change the description when we actually launch the group.
15:12:31 <julierawe> Lisa: This is a new process so I don't know if it can get changed.
15:12:48 <julierawe> Lisa: We can always go to W3C staff and ask to change, but we don't know yet if i18n wants any changes.
15:13:19 <julierawe> Lisa: I don't think we need to belabor it
15:13:29 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SgfzQMEd0MYydz6WoPBbuxx5CewjiUc5bsuu592uurI/edit
15:13:49 <julierawe> Jan will send follow-up today
15:14:38 <julierawe> Lisa: I need 5 people to support the proposal, we have 4 already
15:14:53 <julierawe> Lisa: What should I do if it's ready to go live before we've heard back from i18n?
15:15:09 <julierawe> Lisa: I'd like to put Jan as co-chair right away so people can't propose themselves
15:15:35 <julierawe> Lisa: I intend to step down as co-chair and hopefully someone from i18n or AG will become co-chairs
15:16:08 <julierawe> Tiffany: What does it mean to support the group? Is that acknowledging a commitment to the group? Or acknowledging that it's a good idea?
15:16:28 <julierawe> Tiffany: I'm willing to mark it as "supported" but I don't have a ton of time to contribute to the group
15:16:39 <julierawe> John: All you have to do is say you support the formation of the group
15:16:51 <julierawe> Lisa: It's not a very formal thing
15:17:07 <julierawe> Lisa: W3C wants to see that other people think it's a good idea
15:17:39 <tburtin> You now have support from 5 people.
15:19:02 <julierawe> John: Can someone put a link in IRC to the support page?
15:19:03 <tburtin> https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#global-inclusion
15:19:10 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2024/03/14/proposed-group-accessibility-internationalization-community-group/
15:19:19 <julierawe> John: Never in my W3C career have I ever heard anyone say something is happening too fast
15:20:04 <julierawe> agenda, next item
15:21:05 <julierawe> Agenda, next item
15:21:16 <lisa> next item
15:21:21 <lisa> q?
15:21:25 <lisa> ack next
15:21:33 <lisa> next item
15:22:01 <lisa> i just need to step away for a bit
15:25:32 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uzzH9qYEOdL-zFX3LdhQDlK4YcPdCP-fWvh6EF45aBY/edit#heading=h.fmj4xl6qoxuw
15:26:04 <julierawe> AG is focusing on handful of outcomes to test out the approach moving forward
15:26:28 <julierawe> One of this initial group of outcomes is Clear Language's Explain Implied Meaning
15:26:32 <julierawe> next item
15:26:36 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uzzH9qYEOdL-zFX3LdhQDlK4YcPdCP-fWvh6EF45aBY/edit#heading=h.fmj4xl6qoxuw
15:42:41 <tburtin> Maybe add Persons with cultural differences.
15:42:45 <lisa> im back
15:43:22 <lisa> q+
15:43:55 <lisa> translating word for word. does it make sence
15:46:35 <lisa> need to step away again. sorry but the time change has put this meeting while other things are going on
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15:56:53 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/14-coga-minutes.html julierawe
16:02:50 <julierawe> I am wrapping up the minutes with a quick recap of our working session on the implied-meaning draft:
16:03:22 <julierawe> The placeholder outcome can be roughly worded — we'll fine-tune at a later stage
16:03:56 <julierawe> For user needs, we started with the user need in Making Content Usable 4.4.4 pattern
16:04:47 <julierawe> And we started building out the user needs section to show wide range of audiences that need explanation for implied meaning
16:05:43 <julierawe> We started brainstorming edge cases, such as a phrase that is commonly used non-literally (thorn in my side) but can sometimes be used literally (i really do have a thorn in my side!)
16:06:27 <julierawe> We also started talking about culture and localization, such as a Spanish phrase having one meeting in Spain and a different meaning in New York City
16:07:00 <julierawe> We ended the session by asking everyone to keep thinking of edge cases and add them to this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uzzH9qYEOdL-zFX3LdhQDlK4YcPdCP-fWvh6EF45aBY/edit
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