IRC log of wot on 2024-03-13

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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chair: McCool, Sebastian
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q+
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back
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ack k
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topic: Minutes Review
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... there is a small typo
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... we should create a wiki page
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mm: any objections to publishing?
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q+
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i/topic/scribenick: Ege/
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ack k
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topic: IG Charter
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mm: what is the status
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kaz: the draft charter needs updating
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topic: Breakout Day
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ack k
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html Registries session minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-schemata-discussion-minutes.html Schemata session minutes
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scribe+ kaz
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ek: (makes debriefing)
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q+
12:13:43 [kaz]
... guidelines about registries should be added to the "/Guide" page
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-> https://www.w3.org/Guide
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s|Guide|/Guide page|
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s|//Guide page|/Guide /Guide page|
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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kaz: we also need clarify our requirements and expectations for registries clearer
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ek: right
12:16:04 [kaz]
... would discuss that tomorrow during the TD call
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i/guidelines about/subtopic: Registries/
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subtopic: Schemata
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ek: Ivan gave a comment on the difficulty with various schemata mechanisms
12:17:17 [kaz]
... we also have difficult with JSON-LD's double nature
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mm: what was the conclusion then?
12:17:37 [kaz]
... another breakout at TPAC?
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ek: think so
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q+
12:18:01 [McCool_]
q+
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ack k
12:19:28 [kaz]
kaz: as I mentioned at the end of the session, we need to clarify our requirements and expectations for this topic too
12:19:41 [kaz]
... for data model, validation, tooling for spec generation, etc.
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ek: would think about the resources for spec generation too
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s/too//
12:20:28 [kaz]
... probably need some more explanation about that point next time
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... but good to see many people have similar problems
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scribenick: Ege
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:21:27 [kaz]
q+
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ack m
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ack k
12:21:46 [Ege]
topic: meetups
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i/meetups/subtopic: Profile call/
12:21:59 [Ege]
mm: there is one from wot cg tomorrow about matter
12:22:06 [kaz]
i/meetups/mm: starting next Tuesday/
12:22:26 [Ege]
mm: make sure subscribe and add to your calendars
12:22:32 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/66be002d-864b-4a49-a4d4-4d231b4c99bf/ Mar-14 meeting
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subtopic: WoT Security Seminar of WoT JP CG
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i/there is one/subtopic: WoT CG/
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q+
12:23:09 [Ege]
tm: on march 8 we had a seminar
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ack k
12:23:57 [Ege]
tm: explain wot security mechanism and discuss what we can expect in the future
12:24:43 [Ege]
... I have explained wot security and privacy handling
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... then someone (?) explained it from the IETF side
12:25:13 [Ege]
... then we had a presentation from echonet about their security mechanisms
12:25:30 [kaz]
s/... there is a/mm: there is a/
12:25:37 [Ege]
... we got feedback about authentication/verification in iot scenarios
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:19 [Ege]
... privacy protection and trusting data is important
12:26:22 [kaz]
s/the draft charter needs updating/the draft Charter needs editorial fixes, but already got ok from wide reviews./
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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i|what is the status|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 strategy issue 440|
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present+ Luca_Barbato
12:27:30 [McCool_]
q+
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:53 [Ege]
tm: we have found that it is important to bring the feeback to wot ig via use cases and requirements
12:28:04 [kaz]
i|on march|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240313.md#fyi-debrief-from-the-wot-jp-cgs-wot-security-seminar-on-march-8 summary from the wot security seminar on March 8|
12:28:08 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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q+
12:28:19 [Ege]
... we should work on the use cases template
12:28:47 [Ege]
mm: in the UC call, we have agreed to meet in the security call to extend the template on parts about security and privacy
12:29:00 [kaz]
s/UC call/UC call today/
12:29:04 [Ege]
... we should also discuss updating our best practices document
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... like what is the best practice for public service, personal data etc.
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q?
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ack mc
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ack m
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scribe+
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kaz: at some point, we should consider creating a new use case based on the feedback using the new use case template
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scribe-
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s/someone (?)/Ajitomi-san from Toshiba/
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q+
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ack k
12:32:24 [Ege]
mm: I have moved the nordic cg to collaboration
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scribe+
12:32:55 [Ege]
mm: upcoming free event in hivemq about wot in mqtt
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kaz: it would be good to get such input from cg events
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s/scribe+//
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q+
12:34:02 [kaz]
s/cg events/cg events like Mizushima-san mentioned :)/
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s/cg events/CG events in general/
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ack e
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:26 [Ege]
topic: cancellations
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... next wednesday meetings are cancelled
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s/... ne/mm: ne/
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q+
12:37:03 [Ege]
mm: I have updated the calendar
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mm: should we cancel the scripting?
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sk: I will ping daniel and ask him
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ack k
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topic: Publication schedule
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scribe+
12:39:09 [kaz]
mm: Ege, are you adding TD?
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q+
12:39:46 [Ege]
topic: PR 1185
12:39:57 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1185 PR 1185 Adding TD FPWD to schedule
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ege: I have added the deadline of TD FPWD
12:40:09 [kaz]
i/I have/scribenick: Ege/
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q+
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ack e
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ack k
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scribe+
12:42:01 [Ege]
mm: by june, we should have all administrative stuff clarified
12:42:07 [kaz]
kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features
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s/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features//
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i/by ju/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features/
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i/by ju/scribenick: Ege/
12:43:40 [Ege]
... maybe alrady mentioning a milestone for june
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mm: i am putting a placeholder for that in schedule
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s/alrady/already/
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s/scribe+//
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i/mentioning a/scribenick: Ege/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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s/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features//
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i|maybe al|kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:45:37 [Ege]
topic: F2F in June
12:45:58 [Ege]
sk: Siemens wants to host a F2F with a focus of WoT in Industry
12:46:06 [kaz]
i/need to cla/scribenick: kaz/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:46:24 [Ege]
... also have task force meeting and plugfest etc. next to it
12:46:31 [Ege]
... we want to ask who can join
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... it will be in Berlin
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i|i am pu|scribenick: Ege|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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s/... maybe al/kaz: maybe al/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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i/maybe al/scribenick: Ege/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:47:47 [Ege]
sk: even if it is a possibility, please indicate
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mm: we should discuss the format
12:49:00 [kaz]
i|Siemens want|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning 2024 f2f wiki|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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q+
12:50:48 [Ege]
mm: we should know how long it will be
12:51:15 [Ege]
mm: will there be demos in the open day?
12:52:58 [kaz]
q?
12:53:46 [Ege]
kaz: it might be too early to do plugfest?
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ack k
12:54:45 [kaz]
s/plugfest?/plugfest at this stage? So would suggest we concentrate on spec discussion. Demos still can be done during the Open Day, though./
12:54:45 [McCool_]
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12:55:59 [Ege]
ek: we can do a plugfest about profiles or binding interoperability
12:56:21 [Ege]
... or we can do some small demo booths of people but not necessarily a plugfest after the open day
12:56:51 [luca_barbato]
q+
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q+
12:56:52 [Ege]
mm: I don't think profile will be ready by then. A virtual plugfest can make sense
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ack mc
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ack m
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lb: online plugfest makes more sense
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ack lu
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ack k
12:57:58 [Ege]
mm: we should move on
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scribe+
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kaz: agree with McCool
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q+
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scribe-
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scribe+
12:59:09 [kaz]
ek: just to make sure, next main call on March 20 will be cancelled. right?
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i/just/topic: AOB/
12:59:21 [kaz]
mm: correct
12:59:51 [kaz]
ek: btw, some weird problem with W3C Calendar
13:00:17 [sebastian]
I need to move. bye
13:00:30 [kaz]
mm: maybe some problem on your side?
13:00:39 [kaz]
s/I need to move. bye//
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[adjourned]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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