IRC log of wot on 2024-03-13
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- chair: McCool, Sebastian
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- q+
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- back
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- ack k
- 12:06:43 [Ege]
- topic: Minutes Review
- 12:07:04 [Ege]
- ... there is a small typo
- 12:07:10 [Ege]
- ... we should create a wiki page
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- mm: any objections to publishing?
- 12:08:44 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:09:49 [kaz]
- i/topic/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:10:08 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:10:13 [Ege]
- topic: IG Charter
- 12:10:19 [Ege]
- mm: what is the status
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- kaz: the draft charter needs updating
- 12:10:35 [Ege]
- topic: Breakout Day
- 12:10:43 [kaz]
- q+
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- ack k
- 12:12:42 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html Registries session minutes
- 12:12:55 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-schemata-discussion-minutes.html Schemata session minutes
- 12:13:05 [kaz]
- scribe+ kaz
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- ek: (makes debriefing)
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- q+
- 12:13:43 [kaz]
- ... guidelines about registries should be added to the "/Guide" page
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- -> https://www.w3.org/Guide
- 12:14:17 [kaz]
- s|Guide|/Guide page|
- 12:14:49 [kaz]
- s|//Guide page|/Guide /Guide page|
- 12:14:57 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 12:15:26 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:15:28 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:15:52 [kaz]
- kaz: we also need clarify our requirements and expectations for registries clearer
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- ek: right
- 12:16:04 [kaz]
- ... would discuss that tomorrow during the TD call
- 12:16:18 [kaz]
- i/guidelines about/subtopic: Registries/
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- subtopic: Schemata
- 12:16:59 [kaz]
- ek: Ivan gave a comment on the difficulty with various schemata mechanisms
- 12:17:17 [kaz]
- ... we also have difficult with JSON-LD's double nature
- 12:17:29 [kaz]
- mm: what was the conclusion then?
- 12:17:37 [kaz]
- ... another breakout at TPAC?
- 12:17:40 [kaz]
- ek: think so
- 12:17:42 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:18:01 [McCool_]
- q+
- 12:19:00 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:19:28 [kaz]
- kaz: as I mentioned at the end of the session, we need to clarify our requirements and expectations for this topic too
- 12:19:41 [kaz]
- ... for data model, validation, tooling for spec generation, etc.
- 12:20:06 [kaz]
- ek: would think about the resources for spec generation too
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- s/too//
- 12:20:28 [kaz]
- ... probably need some more explanation about that point next time
- 12:20:46 [kaz]
- ... but good to see many people have similar problems
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- scribenick: Ege
- 12:21:00 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:21:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:21:27 [kaz]
- q+
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- ack m
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- ack k
- 12:21:46 [Ege]
- topic: meetups
- 12:21:58 [kaz]
- i/meetups/subtopic: Profile call/
- 12:21:59 [Ege]
- mm: there is one from wot cg tomorrow about matter
- 12:22:06 [kaz]
- i/meetups/mm: starting next Tuesday/
- 12:22:26 [Ege]
- mm: make sure subscribe and add to your calendars
- 12:22:32 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/66be002d-864b-4a49-a4d4-4d231b4c99bf/ Mar-14 meeting
- 12:22:42 [Ege]
- subtopic: WoT Security Seminar of WoT JP CG
- 12:22:51 [kaz]
- i/there is one/subtopic: WoT CG/
- 12:23:04 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:23:09 [Ege]
- tm: on march 8 we had a seminar
- 12:23:19 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:23:57 [Ege]
- tm: explain wot security mechanism and discuss what we can expect in the future
- 12:24:43 [Ege]
- ... I have explained wot security and privacy handling
- 12:24:52 [Ege]
- ... then someone (?) explained it from the IETF side
- 12:25:13 [Ege]
- ... then we had a presentation from echonet about their security mechanisms
- 12:25:30 [kaz]
- s/... there is a/mm: there is a/
- 12:25:37 [Ege]
- ... we got feedback about authentication/verification in iot scenarios
- 12:25:40 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:26:19 [Ege]
- ... privacy protection and trusting data is important
- 12:26:22 [kaz]
- s/the draft charter needs updating/the draft Charter needs editorial fixes, but already got ok from wide reviews./
- 12:26:27 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:26:36 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT-WG/IG
- 12:27:01 [kaz]
- i|what is the status|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 strategy issue 440|
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- present+ Luca_Barbato
- 12:27:30 [McCool_]
- q+
- 12:27:33 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:27:53 [Ege]
- tm: we have found that it is important to bring the feeback to wot ig via use cases and requirements
- 12:28:04 [kaz]
- i|on march|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240313.md#fyi-debrief-from-the-wot-jp-cgs-wot-security-seminar-on-march-8 summary from the wot security seminar on March 8|
- 12:28:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:28:16 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:28:19 [Ege]
- ... we should work on the use cases template
- 12:28:47 [Ege]
- mm: in the UC call, we have agreed to meet in the security call to extend the template on parts about security and privacy
- 12:29:00 [kaz]
- s/UC call/UC call today/
- 12:29:04 [Ege]
- ... we should also discuss updating our best practices document
- 12:29:29 [Ege]
- ... like what is the best practice for public service, personal data etc.
- 12:29:38 [kaz]
- q?
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- ack mc
- 12:29:42 [McCool_]
- ack m
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- ack k
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- scribe+
- 12:31:34 [kaz]
- kaz: at some point, we should consider creating a new use case based on the feedback using the new use case template
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- scribe-
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- s/someone (?)/Ajitomi-san from Toshiba/
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- q+
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- ack k
- 12:32:24 [Ege]
- mm: I have moved the nordic cg to collaboration
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- scribe+
- 12:32:55 [Ege]
- mm: upcoming free event in hivemq about wot in mqtt
- 12:33:09 [Ege]
- kaz: it would be good to get such input from cg events
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- s/scribe+//
- 12:33:28 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:34:02 [kaz]
- s/cg events/cg events like Mizushima-san mentioned :)/
- 12:34:19 [kaz]
- s/cg events/CG events in general/
- 12:34:32 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:34:41 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:35:26 [Ege]
- topic: cancellations
- 12:35:38 [Ege]
- ... next wednesday meetings are cancelled
- 12:36:47 [kaz]
- s/... ne/mm: ne/
- 12:36:51 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:37:03 [Ege]
- mm: I have updated the calendar
- 12:37:10 [Ege]
- mm: should we cancel the scripting?
- 12:37:20 [Ege]
- sk: I will ping daniel and ask him
- 12:38:38 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:38:53 [kaz]
- topic: Publication schedule
- 12:38:57 [kaz]
- scribe+
- 12:39:09 [kaz]
- mm: Ege, are you adding TD?
- 12:39:37 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:39:46 [Ege]
- topic: PR 1185
- 12:39:57 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1185 PR 1185 Adding TD FPWD to schedule
- 12:39:57 [Ege]
- ege: I have added the deadline of TD FPWD
- 12:40:09 [kaz]
- i/I have/scribenick: Ege/
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- q+
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- ack e
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- ack k
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- scribe+
- 12:42:01 [Ege]
- mm: by june, we should have all administrative stuff clarified
- 12:42:07 [kaz]
- kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features
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- s/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features//
- 12:43:19 [kaz]
- i/by ju/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features/
- 12:43:32 [kaz]
- i/by ju/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:43:40 [Ege]
- ... maybe alrady mentioning a milestone for june
- 12:43:50 [Ege]
- mm: i am putting a placeholder for that in schedule
- 12:43:51 [kaz]
- s/alrady/already/
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- s/scribe+//
- 12:44:33 [kaz]
- i/mentioning a/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:44:38 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:44:40 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:45:12 [kaz]
- s/kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features//
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- i|maybe al|kaz: need to clarify refactoring or new features|
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:45:37 [Ege]
- topic: F2F in June
- 12:45:58 [Ege]
- sk: Siemens wants to host a F2F with a focus of WoT in Industry
- 12:46:06 [kaz]
- i/need to cla/scribenick: kaz/
- 12:46:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:46:24 [Ege]
- ... also have task force meeting and plugfest etc. next to it
- 12:46:31 [Ege]
- ... we want to ask who can join
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- ... it will be in Berlin
- 12:46:54 [kaz]
- i|i am pu|scribenick: Ege|
- 12:46:55 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:47:20 [kaz]
- s/... maybe al/kaz: maybe al/
- 12:47:21 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:47:39 [kaz]
- i/maybe al/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:47:40 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:47:47 [Ege]
- sk: even if it is a possibility, please indicate
- 12:48:33 [Ege]
- mm: we should discuss the format
- 12:49:00 [kaz]
- i|Siemens want|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning 2024 f2f wiki|
- 12:49:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:50:45 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:50:48 [Ege]
- mm: we should know how long it will be
- 12:51:15 [Ege]
- mm: will there be demos in the open day?
- 12:52:58 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:53:46 [Ege]
- kaz: it might be too early to do plugfest?
- 12:53:54 [Ege]
- q+
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- ack k
- 12:54:45 [kaz]
- s/plugfest?/plugfest at this stage? So would suggest we concentrate on spec discussion. Demos still can be done during the Open Day, though./
- 12:54:45 [McCool_]
- q+
- 12:54:56 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:55:59 [Ege]
- ek: we can do a plugfest about profiles or binding interoperability
- 12:56:21 [Ege]
- ... or we can do some small demo booths of people but not necessarily a plugfest after the open day
- 12:56:51 [luca_barbato]
- q+
- 12:56:51 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:56:52 [Ege]
- mm: I don't think profile will be ready by then. A virtual plugfest can make sense
- 12:56:56 [kaz]
- ack mc
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- ack m
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- lb: online plugfest makes more sense
- 12:57:43 [kaz]
- ack lu
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- ack k
- 12:57:58 [Ege]
- mm: we should move on
- 12:58:21 [kaz]
- scribe+
- 12:58:28 [kaz]
- kaz: agree with McCool
- 12:58:29 [Ege]
- q+
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- scribe-
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- scribe+
- 12:59:09 [kaz]
- ek: just to make sure, next main call on March 20 will be cancelled. right?
- 12:59:17 [kaz]
- i/just/topic: AOB/
- 12:59:21 [kaz]
- mm: correct
- 12:59:51 [kaz]
- ek: btw, some weird problem with W3C Calendar
- 13:00:17 [sebastian]
- I need to move. bye
- 13:00:30 [kaz]
- mm: maybe some problem on your side?
- 13:00:39 [kaz]
- s/I need to move. bye//
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- [adjourned]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
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