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13:54:41 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:55:13 <janina> Chair:  Matthew
13:55:13 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:55:13 <janina> Agenda+ AT Driver https://w3c.github.io/at-driver/
13:55:13 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:55:16 <janina> agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:55:19 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:55:21 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:55:24 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:55:26 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:55:29 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:55:31 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:55:34 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:55:36 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:55:39 <janina> Date: 13 Mar 2024
13:57:55 <janina> present+
13:57:59 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:57:59 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:58:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, Roy, bkardell_, janina, gb, ada, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, imlostlmao, AnthonySpencer, M2cshkpcgrp, SintayewGashaw, matrix638, joraboi445,
13:58:01 <Zakim> ... gonzu_15, sonicscrewdriver, cwilso, tink, agendabot
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13:59:13 <Fazio> present+
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14:00:38 <matatk> agenda?
14:01:50 <matatk> present+
14:01:52 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:01:52 <Zakim> Present: janina, Fazio, matatk
14:01:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, PaulG, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, Roy, bkardell_, janina, gb, ada, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, imlostlmao, AnthonySpencer, M2cshkpcgrp, SintayewGashaw,
14:01:54 <Zakim> ... matrix638, joraboi445, gonzu_15, sonicscrewdriver, cwilso, tink, agendabot
14:01:55 <PaulG> present+
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14:02:18 <IrfanA> present+
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14:02:58 <IrfanA> agenda?
14:03:00 <Nehaj> present+
14:03:48 <Nehaj> scribe+
14:04:00 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:13 <IrfanA> agenda?
14:04:58 <Nehaj> zakim, close this item
14:04:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:04:59 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:04:59 <Zakim> 2. AT Driver https://w3c.github.io/at-driver/ [from janina]
14:05:44 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:05:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- AT Driver https://w3c.github.io/at-driver/ -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:52 <janina> regrets: Fredrik_Fischer, Gottfried_Zimmerman, Rita_Shewbridge, Keith_Newton, Niklas_Egger
14:06:37 <Nehaj> matatk: received feedback from one vendor only, need to collect more information
14:06:44 <Fazio> ATIA?
14:06:49 <Fazio> David Dikter
14:07:04 <Fazio> AAATE?
14:08:23 <Nehaj> matatk: two vendors in discussion
14:09:07 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:09:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:34 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2024/btt-wg.html
14:09:38 <Nehaj> Roy: no update as of yet
14:10:34 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/438
14:11:13 <Nehaj> janina: we should give only a week time
14:11:53 <Nehaj> matatk: no concrete answer from nvda
14:13:41 <Nehaj> matatk: only internationalization is completed
14:14:59 <Nehaj> matatk: very strict one week deadline
14:15:42 <Nehaj> janina: waiting for responses from community
14:16:27 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:16:27 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:19:43 <Nehaj> Roy: nothing new in this week but some are still pending
14:20:33 <matatk> gb, off
14:20:33 <gb> matatk, issues and names were already off.
14:20:51 <matatk> subtopic: select.showPicker()
14:20:54 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/178
14:23:56 <Nehaj> matatk: we have a window to make changes to api for above mentioned subtopic
14:24:27 <matatk> subtopic: Allow additional elements to be considered labelable
14:24:35 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/167
14:26:52 <Fazio> I'm more concerned with show picker
14:27:00 <Nehaj> matatk: idea to add lables to some more html elements eg. textarea
14:28:56 <Nehaj> PaulG: lable should behave like a label only
14:29:12 <Nehaj> janina: +1
14:31:58 <Nehaj> PaulG: need testing with different browser and AT combination to check focusable property of editable content
14:32:42 <matatk> q?
14:33:27 <matatk> subtopic: Media query to prefer shapes over colours
14:33:38 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/126
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14:34:46 <Fazio> stroop effect for color is a problem too
14:35:27 <Fazio> I continue to flip the wrong gas switch in peru because green minus means gas off and red flame means on
14:35:36 <Fazio> I interpret green as on red as off
14:36:02 <PaulG> q+
14:36:20 <Nehaj> matatk: why to prefer shapes over colours
14:37:08 <matatk> ack PaulG
14:37:21 <Fazio> I am neurodivergent
14:37:25 <Fazio> brain injury
14:37:50 <Fazio> More to neurodivergernce than autism and adhd
14:40:06 <Nehaj> matatk: default should be both colour and shape and option should be there to switch between the two
14:43:39 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:43:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:44:01 <Roy> subtopic: Privacy Principles
14:44:03 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/74
14:44:03 <Roy> - URL of spec:https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/
14:44:38 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/
14:46:18 <Nehaj> matatk: need to review this and need volunteers to do this
14:46:24 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:46:24 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:46:41 <Roy> subtopic: MiniApp Addressing
14:46:41 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/WD-miniapp-addressing-20240131/
14:47:20 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:47:20 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, Nehaj
14:47:48 <Nehaj> zakim, close item
14:47:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Nehaj
14:47:55 <Nehaj> zakim, close this item
14:47:56 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:47:56 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:47:56 <Zakim> 7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
14:48:01 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:48:01 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:48:40 <Nehaj> zakim, close this item
14:48:40 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:48:41 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:48:41 <Zakim> 8. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
14:48:44 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:48:44 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
14:48:51 <Nehaj> zakim, close this item
14:48:51 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:48:53 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:48:53 <Zakim> 9. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]
14:48:56 <Nehaj> zakim, next item
14:48:57 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:49:52 <Nehaj> matatk: several issues from rqtf
14:50:00 <janina> subtopic: Request for meeting from WebRTC
14:51:17 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/
14:54:24 <Roy> A recurring topic at the intersection of WebRTC and accessibility has been the integration of real-time text (RTT) in WebRTC-based services. See for instance:
14:54:24 <Roy>  https://www.w3.org/2019/09/20-apa-minutes.html#item02
14:54:24 <Roy>  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-wai/2020Sep/0030.html
14:54:24 <Roy> When the initial WebRTC API Recommendation was released, the protocol work in IETF was still in progress, leading to some relatively open-ended language in the spec:
14:54:25 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/REC-webrtc-20210126/#accessibility-considerations
14:54:26 <Roy> We have been recently notified by the author of the relevant IETF RFC that that work has now concluded:
14:54:28 <Roy>  https://github.com/w3c/webrtc-pc/issues/2931
14:54:30 <Roy> Unfortunately, based on the assessment of two of the co-chairs of the WebRTC WG (including Bernard Aboba who is directly involved in the relevant FCC work in the US), the said RFC is not fit for purpose, nor implementable.
14:54:33 <Roy> To compound that situation, according to Bernard, that unsatisfactory solution is going to become part of the EU regulation on the matter, via:
14:54:38 <Roy>  https://portal.etsi.org/STF/STFs/STF-Homepages/STF605
14:54:40 <Roy> https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/03.02.01_60/en_301549v030201p.pdf#page=30
14:54:42 <Roy> The author of the RFC is himself a member of the said ETSI group; I noticed that James Craig is there as well.
14:54:44 <Roy> I think it would be a great service to the community if we could find a path to figure out if indeed the RFC can't be made to work as is, and if so, how we can get the combination of the WebRTC API, the ETSI document and the EU regulation to align to a better situation.
14:54:48 <Roy> One possibility might be to work towards a joint meeting (with the end goal of a joint resolution?) of WebRTC & APA; but I am open to any other suggestion you may have. It may be useful to start with a Team-internal conversation to discuss our options.
14:59:07 <Nehaj> zakim, end meeting
14:59:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Fazio, matatk, PaulG, IrfanA, Nehaj
14:59:09 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:59:18 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Nehaj; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:09:15 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:09:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items