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11:53:59 <tpac-breakout-bot> Meeting: Registries for W3C Specifications
11:53:59 <tpac-breakout-bot> Chair: Ege Korkan, Jan Romann
11:53:59 <tpac-breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2024/issues/18
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11:54:03 <tpac-breakout-bot> Zakim, agenda+ Next steps / where discussion continues
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12:59:30 <kaz> meeting: Registries for W3C Specifications
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13:00:29 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon
13:00:33 <nigel> Present+ Nigel_Megitt
13:01:00 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/breakouts-day-2024/#b-7c1b6bcd-9ee1-4570-ba4d-9ccad717e78f
13:02:44 <kaz> slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zWnl7yWMKPjKgtjogZGDe-8xf4KTK3KakhPY0_uhsB4/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p
13:02:44 <kaz> slideset: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2024Mar/att-0002/BreakoutDay-12March-Registries.pdf
13:03:02 <kaz> present+ Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura
13:03:25 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Xiaoqian_Wu
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13:03:45 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
13:03:46 <Zakim> Present: JKRhb, Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon, Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Xiaoqian_Wu
13:03:59 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:04:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz
13:04:31 <kaz> s/ROmann/Romann/
13:04:41 <kaz> present+ Atsushi_Shimono
13:04:43 <kaz> q+
13:04:54 <kaz> q-
13:05:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz
13:06:05 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:06:07 <Ege> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zWnl7yWMKPjKgtjogZGDe-8xf4KTK3KakhPY0_uhsB4/edit?usp=sharing
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13:06:20 <kaz> ek: slides above
13:06:33 <kaz> ... co-Charing this session with Jan Romann
13:06:39 <Ege> present+
13:06:50 <kaz> i|https|topic: Logistics|
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13:07:36 <kaz> ek: please join the IRC, and add yourself using "q+"
13:07:36 <RJN> present+
13:07:36 <Ege> ah thanks
13:07:38 <kaz> topic: Intro
13:07:40 <kaz> atsushi
13:07:45 <kaz> enrico
13:07:57 <kaz> klaus
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13:08:07 <atsushi> present+
13:08:09 <Tomo> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:08:21 <kaz> ramon
13:08:46 <kaz> toumura
13:09:03 <kaz> nigel
13:09:54 <kaz> mizushima
13:10:32 <kaz> xiaoqian
13:11:15 <kaz> q+
13:11:46 <kaz> kaz
13:11:47 <kaz> ack k
13:12:06 <kaz> topic: Participation policies
13:12:28 <kaz> ek: remember the Antitrust/competition plicy
13:12:35 <kaz> ... also PWETF work
13:12:46 <kaz> topic: Bringing some context
13:13:12 <kaz> ek: (explain the background)
13:13:24 <kaz> topic: What is a registry in general?
13:13:39 <kaz> [slide 6]
13:13:46 <kaz> ek: Examples
13:14:07 <kaz> ... media types, URI schemes, websocket, language subtag, etc.
13:14:25 <kaz> topic: Registries and W3C RECs?
13:14:41 <kaz> ek: W3C RECs can't be changed after publication
13:14:56 <kaz> ... so need another mechanism for registries
13:15:09 <kaz> i/W3C/[slide 7]
13:15:20 <kaz> [slide 8]
13:15:27 <kaz> ek: Why are we here?
13:15:35 <kaz> ... share the analysis
13:15:41 <kaz> ... and get input
13:15:49 <kaz> [slide 9]
13:15:57 <kaz> ek: analysis by WoT
13:16:21 <kaz> ... want to have a binding registry as written in the Charter
13:16:32 <nigel> q+
13:16:40 <kaz> ... W3C registry mechanism is very open
13:16:49 <kaz> ... several registries already
13:16:56 <kaz> [slide 10]
13:17:06 <kaz> ek: What did the WoT do?
13:17:20 <kaz> ... analyzed both W3C process and IANA process
13:17:28 <kaz> ack n
13:17:41 <kaz> nm: two ways for registries
13:17:50 <kaz> ... separate or embedded in a REC
13:17:58 <kaz> s/separate/separate doc/
13:17:59 <nigel> Example of Registry section in DAPT -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#registry-section
13:18:15 <kaz> nm: an example of registry section above
13:18:28 <kaz> ek: yeah, we're aware of that fact
13:18:32 <nigel> ack n
13:18:34 <kaz> ... but tx for the concrete example
13:18:44 <kaz> [slide 12]
13:19:03 <kaz> i/12/[slide 11]/
13:19:10 <kaz> i/12/(switch to Jan)/
13:19:26 <kaz> jr: IANA registries
13:19:37 <kaz> ... several examples
13:19:40 <kaz> [slide 13]
13:19:48 <kaz> jr: summary is
13:20:07 <kaz> ... quite mature with various rules commonly accepted
13:20:20 <kaz> ... with extensibility
13:20:34 <kaz> ... several common review policies there
13:21:18 <kaz> ... private use, experimental use, hierarchical allocation, first come/first sered, expert review, spec required, RFC required, IETF review, standard action, IESG approval
13:21:31 <kaz> ... example of URI schemes and websockets sub-protocols
13:21:36 <kaz> [slide 14]
13:21:55 <kaz> jr: W3C Notes before the Registry Track
13:22:14 <kaz> ... e.g., DID, XPointer, Media Source Extensions, TTML
13:22:19 <kaz> [slide 15]
13:22:28 <kaz> jr: summary
13:22:55 <kaz> ... various processes, consensus as the goal
13:23:00 <kaz> ... various entry formats
13:23:21 <kaz> ... deletion/deprecation process
13:23:53 <kaz> ... versioning mechanism is missing?
13:24:22 <kaz> ... instead, deprecation and resubmission of new entry?
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13:24:50 <kaz> (switches back to Ege)
13:24:55 <kaz> [slide 17]
13:25:16 <kaz> ek: W3C reports with official registry mechanism
13:25:21 <kaz> [slide 18]
13:25:26 <kaz> ek: summary:
13:25:47 <kaz> ... confirmation that the registry mechanism works
13:26:03 <kaz> ... close collaboration with external communities and SDOs
13:26:28 <kaz> ... not much in common between the two
13:26:28 <kaz> q+
13:26:36 <kaz> ... can be a section in a REC
13:27:21 <kaz> s/the two/WebCodecs and AAC/
13:27:25 <kaz> q-
13:27:34 <kaz> [slide 19]
13:27:40 <kaz> ek: comparison table
13:28:00 <kaz> ... submission process, modification process, review and guidelines
13:28:27 <kaz> ... about IANA, W3C Custom Registries and W3C Official Registries
13:28:31 <kaz> q+
13:29:45 <kaz> kaz: do you mean "Notes, etc." by "W3C Custom", and "Registry Track" by "W3C Official"
13:29:50 <kaz> ek: yes
13:29:55 <kaz> s/cial"/cial"?/
13:29:58 <kaz> ack k
13:30:05 <kaz> [slide 20]
13:30:15 <kaz> ek: Summary of status at W3C
13:30:38 <kaz> ... Registry Track mechanism is still very open
13:30:52 <kaz> ... and need considerations by each WG
13:30:58 <nigel> q+ to mention TTWG boilerplate
13:31:09 <kaz> ... more information exchange expected with other WGs
13:31:16 <kaz> topic: Discussion
13:31:19 <kaz> q?
13:31:35 <kaz> ack n
13:31:35 <Zakim> nigel, you wanted to mention TTWG boilerplate
13:31:43 <kaz> subtopic: TTWG boilerplate
13:32:25 <nigel> TTWG Boilerplate registry code -> https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/tree/main/boilerplate/registry
13:32:46 <nigel> TTWG Registry discussion -> https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/discussions/241
13:33:03 <kaz> nm: boilerplate and discussions above
13:33:16 <kaz> present+ J-Y_Rossi
13:33:27 <kaz> present+ Peter_Bruhn_Andersen
13:34:29 <kaz> nm: goes through the registry document html
13:35:57 <Ege> q+
13:35:58 <kaz> -> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/blob/main/boilerplate/registry/index.html HTML preview (not well-styled)
13:36:47 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#registry-section Dubbing and Audio description Profiles of TTML2 - G. Registry
13:37:04 <kaz> nm: might be useful for people
13:37:26 <kaz> ... the process require specific actions
13:38:07 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#script-event-type 4.8 Script Event Type
13:38:16 <kaz> ek: good resource
13:38:57 <kaz> ... this boilerplate would be a good approach
13:39:14 <kaz> nm: there is a guide to help people understand the process
13:39:55 <kaz> ... can be an example
13:40:06 <kaz> s/can/this can/
13:40:28 <kaz> ... other people may discover issues, though
13:40:28 <kaz> q?
13:40:30 <kaz> q+
13:40:32 <kaz> ack e
13:40:45 <kaz> ek: don't think we should impose our need directly into this
13:41:03 <kaz> ... btw, ReSpec doesn't support this mechanism?
13:41:06 <kaz> nm: right
13:41:16 <kaz> ... I created this styling approach
13:42:05 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#example-24 Nigel shows the table right above Example 24
13:42:18 <kaz> nm: probably my best solution so far
13:42:41 <kaz> ... somebody could think about W3C official styling and ReSpec/Bikeshed tooling
13:42:49 <Ege> q?
13:43:24 <kaz> ... for example, other tables like the one at section 3 doesn't use the same style
13:44:31 <kaz> kaz: tx for your information
13:44:46 <xiaoqian> q+
13:44:51 <kaz> ... WoT also needs to clarify our requirements for WoT Binding Templates
13:44:53 <kaz> q-
13:45:07 <kaz> xw: strong +1 for information exchange
13:45:12 <kaz> ... to get suggestions
13:45:46 <kaz> ... also agree having discussion with the Process CG would be helpful
13:45:51 <kaz> ek: ok. tx!
13:45:53 <kaz> ack x
13:46:19 <kaz> topic: Summary
13:46:27 <kaz> [slide 21]
13:46:31 <kaz> ek: took some notes on the slide
13:46:43 <kaz> ... would like to check out the next steps
13:47:11 <kaz> ... main points of discussion, consensus or disagreement?
13:47:29 <kaz> ... think there was consensus on more exchange with other WGs
13:47:36 <kaz> ... should talk with the Process CG?
13:47:58 <kaz> nm: note that PLH is managing the /Guide page
13:48:20 <kaz> q+
13:48:46 <kaz> ek: should be incorporated with that
13:49:15 <kaz> kaz: you mean the usage of registries and guidelines for them to be incorporated with the /Guide page?
13:49:18 <kaz> ek: exactly
13:49:30 <kaz> ack k
13:50:28 <kaz> ... registry sections to be included in the TR search results
13:50:42 <kaz> q+
13:51:17 <kaz> ek: who to work on what then?
13:51:41 <kaz> kaz: probably I should bring this result back to PLH and the Strategy/Project Team
13:52:28 <kaz> action: kaz to bring the results from the registries breakout session to PLH and the Strategy Team
13:53:05 <kaz> ek: example of a registry section within a REC?
13:53:20 <kaz> ... what's the trade-off?
13:53:39 <kaz> nm: it's easy to update the table. no approval is needed
13:54:02 <kaz> ... values to have the registry information in the REC
13:54:25 <kaz> q+
13:55:03 <kaz> ack k
13:55:24 <kaz> ek: (skims the check-out slide again)
13:55:46 <kaz> kaz: possible item 3 for "What are the next steps?" should be WoT WG ourselves to clarify our requirements :)
13:55:49 <kaz> ek: right
13:55:52 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:55:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:59:57 <kaz> chair: Ege
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20:21:48 <tidoust> RRSAgent, bye
20:21:48 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-actions.rdf :
20:21:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kaz to bring the results from the registries breakout session to PLH and the Strategy Team [1]
20:21:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-irc#T13-52-28
20:21:52 <tidoust> zakim, bye
20:21:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JKRhb, Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon, Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura,
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