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15:02:53 <TallTed> meeting: RDF-star Semantics TF
15:02:55 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/07-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:02:57 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/14-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:03:01 <TallTed> present+
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15:03:56 <TallTed> present+ tl, pchampin, enrico
15:04:03 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:04:03 <Zakim> Present: TallTed, gkellogg, ora, AndyS, tl, pchampin, enrico
15:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see enrico, ora, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, pfps, TallTed, gkellogg, tl, niklasl, driib, Tpt, ktk, pchampin, csarven, gb, gtw, AnthonySpencer, VladimirAlexiev,
15:04:06 <Zakim> ... SintayewGashaw, Timothe, smoothsalt, joraboi445, rhiaro, agendabot
15:04:17 <TallTed> present+ pfps
15:04:38 <enrico> present+
15:05:17 <ora> q?
15:05:19 <TallTed> present+ souri
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15:05:30 <Souri> present+
15:05:50 <tl> present+
15:06:09 <pchampin> present+
15:06:24 <pchampin> can only stay until the end of the hour, though
15:06:46 <pchampin> q+
15:10:35 <gkellogg> q+
15:11:05 <ora> ack pchampin
15:11:30 <ora> q+
15:13:37 <ora> ack gkellogg
15:14:22 <Souri> q+
15:15:16 <TallTed> "subject term", "predicate term", "object term", "triple term"?
15:16:01 <pchampin> q+
15:16:24 <ora> ack ora
15:16:54 <tl> q+
15:19:08 <pchampin> q-
15:21:08 <ora> ack Souri
15:24:33 <pchampin> q+
15:24:57 <AndyS> q+
15:26:42 <gkellogg> q+
15:27:04 <ora> ack tl
15:27:55 <pchampin> <#pa> a schema:Person .
15:27:55 <pchampin> Depending on the context, I can call #pa an identifier/IRI, a node of the RDF graph, a person.
15:29:45 <enrico> q+
15:29:57 <ora> ack pchampin
15:30:09 <ora> ack AndyS
15:31:01 <pchampin> q+
15:31:12 <ora> ack gkellogg
15:32:31 <Souri> For example, for PG audience, I could choose to say: An atomic reification associates a name with a (set of) directed, labeled edge(s).
15:32:35 <ora> ack enrico
15:35:12 <ora> ack pchampin
15:37:23 <ora> GOFR = "Good Old-Fashioned Reification" (pronounce like "gopher"?)
15:37:35 <enrico> q+
15:38:10 <AndyS> "gopher it"
15:38:12 <pchampin> [] rdf:subjct [].
15:38:38 <gkellogg> s/subjct/subject/
15:38:55 <AndyS> q+
15:39:07 <ora> ack enrico
15:39:13 <TallTed> perhaps instead of talking about "triple term", we could talk about rdf:triple alongside rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, rdf:object. "triple occurrence" remains hard for me to get a grip on.
15:39:33 <Souri> For example, for PG audience, I could choose to say: [refined a bit] Using atomic reification(s), a name may be associated with a (set of) directed, labeled edge(s).
15:40:57 <ora> ack AndyS
15:46:48 <gkellogg> q+
15:47:13 <pchampin> q+
15:48:48 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/RDF%E2%80%90star-semantics:-option-3
15:48:49 <enrico> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/wiki/RDF%E2%80%90star-semantics%3A-option-3
15:49:50 <AndyS> :e rdf:reifies <<(:s :p :o)>> .
15:50:58 <ora> ack gkellogg
15:52:40 <AndyS> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Feb/0066.html
15:52:49 <ora> ack pchampin
15:53:51 <Souri> [Simplified message to PG audience] A single atomic (well-formed?) reification (using a single rdf:reifies triple) associates a (single) name to a (single) directed, labeled edge. One can always use multiple rdf:reifies triples to implement many-to-many associations.
15:54:06 <enrico> q+
15:55:17 <Souri> q+
15:56:06 <ora> ack enrico
15:56:54 <ora> ack Souri
15:57:04 <AndyS> q+
15:58:02 <pchampin> :richard :marriedTo :liz {| :e | |}.
15:58:07 <pchampin> :)
15:59:13 <niklasl> :e rdf:reifies <<( richard :marriedTo :liz )>>. # isn't this just a named edge (not even asserted)?
15:59:44 <pchampin> niklasl, indeed
16:00:00 <niklasl> (also +1 for the macro syntax for named and asserted)
16:00:21 <enrico> q+
16:00:23 <niklasl> (... with the caveat of the "sparql property path or" issue)
16:03:08 <tl> q+
16:03:48 <ora> ack AndyS
16:06:48 <enrico> q-
16:08:03 <AndyS> "upfront restricted syntax" is for defining semantics, and not a restriction on N-Triple, Turtle grammar.
16:10:12 <tl> << :e | :s :p :o >> a rdf:Resource .
16:11:32 <gkellogg> () a rdf:Resource .
16:11:55 <niklasl> s/rdf:Resource/rdfs:Resource/
16:12:15 <gkellogg> s/rdf:Resource/rdfs:Resource/g
16:13:21 <AndyS> q?
16:13:48 <tl> tl-
16:13:50 <AndyS> ack tl
16:14:36 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:14:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:15:26 <TallTed> Zakim, bye
16:15:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, gkellogg, ora, AndyS, tl, pchampin, enrico, pfps, souri
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16:15:34 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:15:46 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
16:15:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items