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14:58:29 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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14:59:34 <janina> Chair:  Matthew
14:59:34 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:59:34 <janina> Agenda+ AT Driver https://w3c.github.io/at-driver/
14:59:34 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:59:37 <janina> agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:59:40 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
14:59:42 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:59:45 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:59:47 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:59:50 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:59:52 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:59:55 <janina> agenda+ be done
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15:00:47 <Fredrik> present+
15:01:24 <janina>  regrets: Paul_Grenier, Alisa_Smith
15:01:40 <Roy>  https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/438#issuecomment-1976612910
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15:01:49 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
15:01:50 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:01:55 <janina> Date: 06 Mar 2024
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15:02:22 <janina> present+
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15:03:29 <mike_beganyi> scribe+
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15:03:35 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up item 1
15:03:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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15:03:47 <niklasegger> present+
15:04:06 <matatk> subtopic: W3C @ CSUN
15:04:33 <mike_beganyi> matatk: if you want to be included in the W3C social event at CSUN, please let either me or Kevin White know
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15:05:38 <janina> subtopic: March Time Adjustments!
15:05:48 <Nehaj> present+
15:06:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: time zone change this weekend. This will be an hour earlier for the next 3 weeks. US goes to Daylight Savings before everyone else.
15:06:45 <mike_beganyi> q+
15:07:15 <matatk> s/be an hour earlier/be an hour earlier for people outside North America/
15:07:15 <mike_beganyi> matatk: an hour earlier for people outside North America, just to clarify
15:07:44 <matatk> scribe+
15:08:00 <matatk> mike_beganyi: Kevin reminded me that your W3C Calendar should show the new call time.
15:08:16 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:08:16 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, mike_beganyi
15:08:17 <matatk> gb, off
15:08:17 <gb> matatk, issues and names were already off.
15:08:20 <matatk> ack mike_beganyi
15:08:23 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- AT Driver https://w3c.github.io/at-driver/ -- taken up [from janina]
15:09:16 <mike_beganyi> matatk: we look at everything spec wise that comes out of W3C for a11y considerations. The other thing we do is charter reviews. When a WG gets created there's a process we follow which sets out the charter for said group.
15:09:26 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/438
15:09:47 <mike_beganyi> ...this link is the review for the Browser Tools and Testing Group rechartering
15:10:02 <mike_beganyi> ...looks at browser tools and testing. Automation tools for browsers.
15:10:41 <mike_beganyi> ...developed on a similar protocol called AT Driver. This is designed for testing of assistive technologies
15:11:04 <mike_beganyi> matatk: [reads description of AT Driver]
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15:12:14 <mike_beganyi> ...I believe the main point is to automate the testing of assistive technologies. That's my understanding. We are discussing this because it was added to the charter for the above named group (Browser Tools and Testing Group)
15:12:34 <mike_beganyi> ...since it was added to the charter we are doing a review of it
15:12:48 <matatk> Proposed charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2024/btt-wg.html
15:13:13 <mike_beganyi> ...our question to the group is: What do we think about this?
15:14:05 <matatk> q?
15:14:06 <Fredrik> q+
15:14:07 <mike_beganyi> ...more about testing the assistive technology versus a web app
15:15:07 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: This sounds like a good idea all around to me. If we could, I would like to get an AT user's perspective on whether they feel this is a good idea. I personally am very supportive
15:16:38 <matatk> q?
15:16:54 <mike_beganyi> Nehaj: It's a good idea and I support it also.
15:17:18 <mike_beganyi> matatk: do you know the due date, Roy?
15:17:54 <mike_beganyi> Roy: There is a comment on the issue. It seems there's still some time to discuss.
15:18:01 <mike_beganyi> Roy: I think we have time to review.
15:18:16 <mike_beganyi> q?
15:18:30 <mike_beganyi> matatk: if any thoughts or concerns, please post on the list
15:19:06 <mike_beganyi> matatk: will follow-up with our respective contacts in AT vendor organizations to pursue any connections there for reviewing purposes
15:20:21 <matatk> q?
15:20:27 <Fredrik> q/
15:20:31 <matatk> ack Fredrik
15:20:37 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:20:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
15:20:54 <mike_beganyi> Roy: no new charters apart from this one
15:20:56 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
15:20:56 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:20:57 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:57 <Zakim> 4. HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
15:20:58 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:20:59 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
15:21:21 <mike_beganyi> Roy: no new comments but we still have some outstanding from the backlog
15:22:51 <mike_beganyi> matatk: Janina and I have been going through the backlog and closing things as necessary. There are some that may be revisited.
15:23:00 <mike_beganyi> matatk: going to suggest we look at a couple of these
15:23:24 <matatk> subtopic: showPicker()
15:23:26 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/178
15:24:21 <mike_beganyi> matatk: function attached to HTML input element called showPicker and that causes the picker to appear programmatically
15:25:50 <mike_beganyi> ...this issue is about adding an analagous function to the select element.
15:26:28 <mike_beganyi> ...interesting because it raised a couple of questions about focus management. Should it get focus by default, for example.
15:26:52 <mike_beganyi> ...question of focussing just the picker and not the control.
15:27:08 <mike_beganyi> ...main question is that we need to ensure that however it's done is consistent with how it's been done on the input element
15:27:59 <mike_beganyi> ...all of the above are discussed in the above link to the issue tracker
15:28:37 <mike_beganyi> ...TAG perspective is that consistency is the top priority. TAG suggested APA weighs in on focussing and other issues.
15:28:48 <matatk> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9757
15:29:19 <mike_beganyi> ...inviting anyone who's interested to look at the thread and add to the discussion
15:29:39 <mike_beganyi> q+
15:29:44 <matatk> q?
15:30:06 <matatk> mike_beganyi: Are we functioning from a point where <input> already has a pattern?
15:30:13 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:30:22 <matatk> ... or is there room for change on both sides?
15:31:06 <mike_beganyi> matatk: this has already been added to the <input> element. In some way it seems that there is still room to make change because it is very recently added to the <input> element
15:31:17 <mike_beganyi> matatk: still in the zone where if we make a good argument we might be able to make a change
15:31:28 <mike_beganyi> ...most important is consistency across both of them
15:31:48 <matatk> q?
15:31:50 <matatk> ack mike_beganyi
15:33:00 <mike_beganyi> matatk: can comment within the 178 issue I linked to above.
15:33:14 <mike_beganyi> ... https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/178
15:35:18 <mike_beganyi> matatk: do we focus the control or the picker. Other question is should we focus by default or not.
15:35:46 <mike_beganyi> janina: brief discussion of the implication of each option might be a way to determine best course of action
15:36:12 <mike_beganyi> matatk: some discussion of the use cases within the various threads
15:37:00 <mike_beganyi> matatk: [describes use case of a flight booking site and side-by-side pickers]
15:37:54 <mike_beganyi> matatk: suggestions without a reason why are a bit concerning
15:39:44 <matatk> q?
15:40:20 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:40:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:40:28 <Roy> subtopic: MathML Core
15:40:28 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/73
15:40:28 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/mathml-core/
15:40:28 <Roy> - accessibility self-review:  https://github.com/w3c/mathml-core/issues/222
15:40:56 <mike_beganyi> Roy: One from MATHML working group. Want to publish into CR.
15:41:14 <mike_beganyi> Roy: They want a review by April.
15:42:11 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MathML_Core
15:43:58 <mike_beganyi> matatk: we are keen as long as it's justified we are keen to add Accessibility Considerations sections. In this case, we don't have one.
15:44:15 <mike_beganyi> matatk: what would we want to see in an a11y considerations section for a spec like this
15:44:47 <mike_beganyi> matatk: may be thinking about user access, are they able to navigate around the structure of the formula, etc.
15:46:06 <mike_beganyi> Dr_Keith: [asks for summary of situation with this spec]
15:46:29 <mike_beganyi> matatk: [provides summary: what would we like to see in an a11y considerations section for a spec such as this]
15:47:23 <mike_beganyi> Dr_Keith: I'll take a look at it Matthew. You can assign the task to me.
15:47:38 <Fredrik> q+
15:48:29 <mike_beganyi> matatk: Thank you, Dr. Keith
15:48:29 <mike_beganyi> ack Fredrik
15:48:29 <mike_beganyi> Fredrik: won't be able to do this myself but I know someone who was intimately familiar with creating physics problems in Braille. Should I forward this to him?
15:48:54 <mike_beganyi> matatk: would be great. No deadline on this for such an individual.
15:49:39 <matatk> q?
15:50:00 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:50:00 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:50:19 <mike_beganyi> Roy: One on TR but isn't prepared. Maybe next week we can review.
15:50:28 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
15:50:28 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:50:29 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:50:29 <Zakim> 7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
15:50:29 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:50:30 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:50:33 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
15:50:33 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
15:50:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:50:34 <Zakim> 8. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:50:37 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up next item
15:50:37 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
15:50:52 <Fredrik> q-
15:52:08 <mike_beganyi> matatk: CFC is now expired. We will refine the a11y considerations editorially. Dr. Keith's suggestions were very good
15:52:36 <mike_beganyi> ...will make a PR for the Devices and Sensors WG as an APA comment in the repo
15:52:48 <mike_beganyi> ...thank you to Niklas for initial input and everyone who voted in the CFC
15:52:55 <matatk> q?
15:53:15 <mike_beganyi> janina: Next week is virtual TPAC
15:53:44 <matatk> topic: Breakouts Day 2024
15:53:46 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/breakouts-day-2024/
15:53:47 <mike_beganyi> janina: Adapt has been working on symbol support and leveraging well known URL from ITF and other technology
15:53:59 <mike_beganyi> janina: Matthew will do a presentation during virtual TPAC next Tuesday
15:54:03 <matatk> Please come to the WAI-Adapt presentation (and others :-))
15:55:04 <mike_beganyi> matatk: can subscribe to the events on the calendar and will be able to attend
15:55:33 <mike_beganyi> q?
15:55:48 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:56:06 <mike_beganyi> zakim, end meeting
15:56:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fredrik, Roy, mike_beganyi, matatk, janina, Lionel, Dr_Keith, niklasegger, Nehaj, Nichole_
15:56:08 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:56:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:56:14 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, mike_beganyi; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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