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16:59:40 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Editors
16:59:40 <dmontalvo> zakim, agenda?
16:59:40 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:59:41 <dmontalvo> agendabot, find agenda
16:59:41 <agendabot> dmontalvo, OK. This may take a minute...
16:59:42 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-editors/2024Mar/0000.html
16:59:42 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:59:42 <agendabot> agenda+ [new] respec dark mode (aria #2133 etc)
16:59:42 <agendabot> agenda+ [continue] aria-common #109 remove/replace aria-wg-active.md and
16:59:45 <agendabot> agenda+ [continue] modernizing aria.js (aria-common #104 & PR #106)
16:59:48 <agendabot> agenda+ [continue] PR/Merge process - async meeting? (aria #2055)
16:59:50 <agendabot> agenda+ [on Hold] aria #2113 Remove abbr elements (etc)
16:59:53 <agendabot> agenda+ [on Hold] roll out prettier setup - tracked via aria-common#99
16:59:55 <agendabot> agenda+ [on Hold] spec markup for advice for AT (jnurthen)
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17:02:47 <pkra> scribe: pkra
17:03:14 <pkra> present+
17:03:24 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:03:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- [new] respec dark mode (aria #2133 etc) -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:32 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
17:04:18 <pkra> jamesn: does anybody know where to look?
17:05:01 <pkra> ... there's a respec issue https://github.com/w3c/respec/issues/2651
17:05:20 <pkra> ... looks like they're taking it on
17:05:23 <pkra> ... so we should be good.
17:05:35 <pkra> ... once that's live, we can check if it works for us.
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17:05:56 <spectranaut_> agenda?
17:06:58 <pkra> pkra: and jcraig commented on the issue regarding contrast media queries so that's good.
17:07:03 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [continue] aria-common #109 remove/replace aria-wg-active.md and -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:07:25 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-common/issues/109
17:08:38 <pkra> pkra: this started  with spectranaut_  taking note of outdated participans md in aria-commons.
17:08:52 <pkra> ... then dmontalvo did a demo via w3c API
17:09:03 <pkra> ... then pkra looked through specs which ones use it https://github.com/w3c/aria-common/issues/109
17:09:07 <pkra> jnurthen: automated?
17:09:11 <pkra> pkra: yes, before and after
17:09:34 <pkra> jnurthen: do we keep list of old contributions?
17:09:38 <pkra> spectranaut_: do we need to?
17:09:42 <pkra> pkra: there's still the old specs.
17:10:10 <pkra> jnurthen: there's the important people we might not want to drop
17:10:15 <pkra> spectranaut_: what do other specs do?
17:11:07 <pkra> scotto: is that a bad thing? If they haven't contributed, should they really be mentioned alongside those who did actively work on a version?
17:11:31 <pkra> jnurthen: e.g., latest css color spec has manual section but no historic mentions.
17:11:38 <pkra> dmontalvo: wcag has previous participants.
17:11:57 <pkra> ... we could match that manual section.
17:12:11 <pkra> jnurthen: leaning towards dropping it
17:12:28 <dmontalvo> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#ack_participants-previous
17:13:15 <pkra> pkra: it's just aria, accname, core-aam that even uses the outdated lists
17:13:30 <pkra> ... everything else uses manual lists or nothing. So dropping seems fine
17:13:35 <pkra> jnurthen: sounds fair
17:14:00 <pkra> pkra: shall we start PRs to replace the outdated list with dmontalvo's solution?
17:14:04 <pkra> spectranaut_: +1
17:16:03 <pkra> dmontalvo: there's still a linting problem with my PR to aria-common.
17:16:10 <pkra> pkra: we should just update our rules
17:16:24 <pkra> jnurthen: does it run before or after respec?
17:16:33 <pkra> dmontalvo: I'll check into it
17:17:12 <pkra> jnurthen: the old one was an include made via respec
17:17:27 <pkra> ... when should this run?
17:18:22 <pkra> ... before / after?
17:18:30 <pkra> dmontalvo: I'll look into integrating it into respec.
17:18:38 <pkra> pkra: don't we do other things this way?
17:19:33 <pkra> jnurthen: no, it's all configured in the respec config block.
17:20:20 <pkra> pkra: ok. so as a before script?
17:20:27 <pkra> jnurthen: yes
17:20:31 <pkra> dmontalvo: I'll get on it.
17:20:40 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:20:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [continue] modernizing aria.js (aria-common #104 & PR #106) -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:20:58 <pkra> pkra: I need to address spectranaut_ 's comments.
17:21:29 <pkra> ... I just didn't get to it.
17:23:57 <pkra> ... I want to address those and merge it quickly. Then there's bugs to fix and things to improve further.
17:24:40 <pkra> jnurthen: would be good. lots of history.
17:24:53 <pkra> pkra: there's still aria-child then
17:25:08 <pkra> jnurthen: right, even if it only affects dpub.
17:25:47 <jamesn> agenda?
17:25:47 <pkra> zakim, next item.
17:25:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [continue] PR/Merge process - async meeting? (aria #2055) -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:26:23 <pkra> pkra: spectranaut_ had sent async meeting question.
17:26:39 <pkra> spectranaut_: in meeting.
17:26:58 <pkra> ... sorry, not async. but with possible remote
17:27:11 <pkra> spectranaut_: not perfectly convinced it's the best way forward.
17:27:30 <pkra> jnurthen: do we have alternative proposals?
17:27:43 <pkra> spectranaut_: worried that it causes too many problems, at least early on
17:28:27 <pkra> jnurthen: do we still want to go for in-person?
17:29:47 <pkra> ... would we have an office to work in?
17:31:09 <pkra> spectranaut_: do we have other members that could help here?
17:32:49 <pkra> pkra: ok, let's revisit next time.
17:35:00 <pkra> ... I still wonder if we're trying to solve a social issue with a piece of technology
17:37:22 <pkra> spectranaut_: right. jcraig's point was implementors are struggling.
17:37:27 <pkra> jnurthen: we need to help there.
17:37:37 <pkra> pkra: right.
17:37:46 <pkra> scotto: struggling with our process as well
17:37:46 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [on Hold] aria #2113 Remove abbr elements (etc) -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:38:45 <pkra> jnurthen: I think we should remove them.
17:38:47 <pkra> ... e.g., HTML
17:38:54 <pkra> scotto: isn't some of this done by respce?
17:39:05 <pkra> jnurthen: I thought it wasn't.
17:39:24 <pkra> scotto: pretty sure references  do get it.
17:39:34 <pkra> jnurthen: ok. but let's remove ours.
17:39:41 <pkra> scotto: but let's stop being inconsistent.
17:40:20 <pkra> jnurthen: I'm happy to go through them.
17:40:35 <pkra> ... I feel like we can remove a few hundred at least.
17:40:58 <pkra> ... there's a risk for merge conflicts.
17:41:18 <pkra> ... I don't think it would make it worse. But possibly better.
17:41:31 <pkra> ... and we should file bugs against respec to not expand something like HTML.
17:41:50 <pkra> scotto: yes, fix it at source.
17:44:32 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:44:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [on Hold] roll out prettier setup - tracked via aria-common#99 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:46:03 <pkra> pkra: not much has happened
17:46:20 <pkra> ... due to risk of merge conflicts
17:47:02 <pkra> ... we wanted to do ARIA after 1.3 FPWD
17:47:17 <pkra> jnurthen: right.
17:47:37 <pkra> ... accname is smaller
17:47:42 <pkra> pkra: and only 3 PRs right now
17:49:14 <pkra> bryan: right. usually melanie helps with rebasing magic skills
17:49:24 <pkra> pkra: could we connect to get started?
17:49:27 <pkra> bryan: will do.
17:49:46 <pkra> pkra: great! Let's do accname next then.
17:50:10 <pkra> dmontalvo: if we want to move accname forward, we should work on the list of changes.
17:50:17 <pkra> ... automatic list is not great.
17:50:36 <pkra> ... could bryan and melanie perhaps send manual list of changes?
17:50:43 <pkra> bryan: not sure how complicated that would be.
17:50:50 <pkra> ... do we have something?
17:51:00 <pkra> dmontalvo: we only miss changes since FPWD
17:51:48 <pkra> ... the commit messages were not easy to grok for me.
17:51:56 <pkra> bryan: ok. same here but let's coordinate.
17:52:16 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:52:16 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [on Hold] spec markup for advice for AT (jnurthen) -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:52:39 <pkra> jnurthen: no updates right now.
17:53:03 <pkra> zakim, end meeting.
17:53:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pkra, Daniel
17:53:04 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
17:53:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/04-aria-editors-minutes.html Zakim
17:53:13 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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