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14:49:44 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Teleconference
14:50:01 <Steven> Date: 2024-02-16
14:50:09 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:50:57 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Feb/0007
14:51:07 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-forms-minutes
14:51:30 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/16-forms-minutes.html Steven
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15:01:50 <Steven> Topic: Tracker
15:01:51 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0007
15:01:59 <Steven> Steven: Continues
15:02:10 <Steven> Topic: control revised draft spec text - comments?
15:02:10 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Oct/0002
15:02:16 <Steven> Steven: Thanks for your comments
15:03:45 <Steven> ... one comment
15:04:03 <Steven> ... If no resource is found, or it is not an XForm, an xforms-link-error is dispatched
15:04:16 <Steven> ... what would you like to see there?
15:05:33 <Steven> ... if you are embedding something with control, there is an expectation at what is at the other end, since it needs to communicate with it
15:05:40 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_Control_Element
15:06:24 <Steven> Erik: could you use it to load a plain XHTML document?
15:07:19 <Steven> Steven: Then we need to decide what happens with the communication between the control element and the embeddded thing.
15:07:43 <Steven> Erik: We could require that the embedded thing have a <model/>
15:07:56 <Steven> Steven: Is that a link-error then?
15:09:48 <Steven> Erik: In principle we're not even requiring a model in XForms in general
15:11:45 <Steven> Steven: So is this OK: "If no resource is found, or it is not an XForms Document, an xforms-link-error is dispatched"
15:11:52 <Steven> Erik: That's OK.
15:11:58 <Steven> ... we could relax it
15:12:12 <Steven> ... we could embed other sorts of document
15:12:52 <Steven> Steven: I'd have to reread the text to see what that would imply.
15:13:41 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to see what the implications of embedding non XForms are
15:14:56 <Steven> Steven: Absence of *above* error?
15:15:03 <Steven> s/?/s?/
15:15:30 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2346: properties of events crossing xforms boundaries [Erik]
15:15:30 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0008
15:15:34 <Steven> Erik: Continues
15:15:43 <Steven> Topic: Sorting
15:15:43 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0008
15:15:47 <Steven> Steven: Continues
15:15:55 <Steven> Topic: outin control
15:15:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Feb/0005
15:16:14 <Steven> Steven: Are you OK with appearance="minimal" to do this
15:16:26 <Steven> Alain: OK for me.
15:16:40 <Steven> ... I have already implemented it!
15:17:14 <Steven> ACTION ... only using CSS
15:17:45 <Steven> s/ACTION//
15:18:07 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add appearance="minimal" for input control
15:18:20 <Steven> Topic: bi-directional text issues
15:18:20 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Feb/0006
15:18:34 <Steven> Steven: Please check the text in the spec
15:18:41 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:18:49 <Steven> Alain: I'm unavailable next week
15:19:21 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
15:19:29 <Steven> Steven: No call next week.
15:19:37 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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