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15:46:23 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:46:52 <Fazio> meeting: Accessibility Maturity Model Task Force
15:47:06 <Fazio> Chair: Fazio
15:47:29 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
15:47:45 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback)
15:47:59 <Fazio> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
15:48:42 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #103 Where are the "Outcomes" in the Maturity Model Structure?
15:48:42 <gb> /issues/103 -> #103
15:49:18 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #102Proof Point definition to be adjusted to fit under an Outcome
15:49:45 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #101 What do we mean with 'aspects'? Used in two ways i.c.w. 'dimensions'
15:49:45 <gb> /issues/101 -> #101
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16:05:31 <Fazio> zakim pick a victim
16:06:58 <Fazio> zakim, pick a victim
16:06:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose IrfanAli
16:06:58 <IrfanAli> scribe: Irfan Ali
16:06:58 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:07:06 <IrfanAli> Fazio: we know zero project is coming. is there anything else?
16:07:07 <IrfanAli> janina: are we meetign next week?
16:07:23 <IrfanAli> Fazio: I would say know unless Sheri wants to show up and run the meeting.
16:07:55 <IrfanAli> janina: no meeting next week
16:08:32 <Fazio> No meeting next week
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16:09:27 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:09:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) -- taken up [from Fazio]
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16:10:43 <IrfanAli> stacey: tons of updates in the doc but not for the meeting. I have all of the dimensions that we have discussed. I would love to have a working session when we meet.
16:10:53 <IrfanAli> stacey: looking forward for a working session when we meet
16:11:52 <stacey> Please review for our next meeting (working session-yay!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wrhomdc2gJWIkDPOveiH3_ig1bddTMonEhIDZIzohrc/edit?usp=sharing
16:12:00 <IrfanAli> sbyrnehaber: I can take a day trip to CSUN if you guys want to meet in person
16:12:13 <sbyrnehaber> present+
16:13:13 <IrfanAli> Fazio: want everyone to review this issue.
16:13:50 <IrfanAli> stacey: Everyone should have comment access. If you don't please let me know
16:13:54 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:13:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:13:58 <Fazio> q?
16:14:47 <IrfanAli> kline: hopefully in the next week we should have something
16:14:54 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:14:54 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #103 Where are the "Outcomes" in the Maturity Model Structure? -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:14:55 <gb> /issues/103 -> #103
16:15:11 <IrfanAli> Fazio: if anyone wants to work on scoring subgroup, touch-base with Jeff
16:16:03 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/103
16:16:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/103 -> Issue 103 Where are the "Outcomes" in the Maturity Model Structure? (by jake-abma)
16:16:25 <IrfanAli> Fazio: this is from Jake from a couple of years.
16:18:35 <IrfanAli> kline: the outcome on each stage is subjective. so I am not sure if I agree
16:19:30 <IrfanAli> Fazio: proof points that we are displaying are only recommended to use. it could be something else.
16:21:09 <IrfanAli> kline: history- I believe after we published our first draft, Jake came up with a spreadsheet icnluding a few recommendations. We have proof points and then maturity stage which is pretty simple.
16:21:58 <IrfanAli> janina: we can substitute our language. not worried about different term. We understand, we have confidence that out come can reach based upon the recommended proof points.
16:24:15 <IrfanAli> kline : we do have three elements. we ahve generic outcomes at each stage for all the proof points
16:25:16 <IrfanAli> Fazio: we are talking about what is the structure here
16:25:35 <IrfanAli> proof points, outcome, stages..
16:25:50 <IrfanAli> janina: we have confidence in outcome and stages
16:26:25 <IrfanAli> janina: we asses from a different view points.
16:26:42 <Fazio> this issue was inadvertently covered last week in issue 103 see minutes: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-maturity-minutes.html#t06
16:27:48 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:27:48 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Github Issue #102Proof Point definition to be adjusted to fit under an Outcome -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:28:39 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/102
16:28:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/102 -> Issue 102 Proof Point definition to be adjusted to fit under an Outcome (by jake-abma)
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16:29:20 <kline> Proof point levels of maturity (stages) are compared against the outcome definition for that dimension at that level
16:29:22 <IrfanAli> Fazio: Jake said, "The proof point is directly linked to the dimension, while it should be linked to an outcome, another proof point might be used for the same outcome if it fits..."
16:30:26 <IrfanAli> agenda?
16:30:28 <gb> /issues/101 -> #101
16:31:22 <IrfanAli> janina: I wonder if it should be outcome in dimension
16:32:22 <kline> specific to the stage outcomes
16:32:32 <kline> for a dimension
16:32:54 <Fazio> Proposed: proof point Written or tangible evidence specific to an outcome of a dimension that can be used to measure the maturity for that specific outcome.
16:33:46 <janina> outcome in a dimension
16:33:50 <kline> proof point Written or tangible evidence specific to stage outcomes of a dimension that can be used to assess the maturity for that specific outcome.
16:37:26 <IrfanAli> Fazio: proof point dont achieve stage but outcome
16:37:46 <IrfanAli> kline: we might be over analyze it
16:37:53 <IrfanAli> janina: it is important to make this clear
16:38:16 <IrfanAli> janina: I am nervous having plural stages
16:39:16 <kline> outcomes defined for each stage
16:40:05 <kline> Written or tangible evidence specific to outcomes defined for each stage of a dimension that can be used to assess the maturity for that specific outcome.
16:44:15 <sbyrnehaber> Written or tangible evidence specific to outcomes defined for each stage of a dimension.  This evidence can be used to assess the maturity for that specific dimension.
16:45:17 <sbyrnehaber> Written or tangible evidence specific to outcomes defined for each stage of a dimension.  This evidence is used to assess the maturity for that dimension.
16:49:51 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:49:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Github Issue #101 What do we mean with 'aspects'? Used in two ways i.c.w. 'dimensions' -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:49:51 <gb> /issues/101 -> #101
16:50:10 <IrfanAli> rrsagent, make minutes
16:50:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/14-maturity-minutes.html IrfanAli
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