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13:59:37 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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14:03:53 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura
14:04:19 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_7_and_February_8%2C_2024
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14:06:46 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
14:07:14 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
14:07:28 <luca_barbato> topic: Minutes
14:08:05 <luca_barbato> ege: The minutes look good, if there is no objection let's approve
14:08:09 <luca_barbato> <approved>
14:08:16 <kaz> i|look|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-wot-td-minutes.html Feb-1|
14:08:20 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:08:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:08:43 <kaz> chair: Ege
14:08:56 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:08:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:09:23 <kaz> topic: TD
14:09:28 <kaz> subtopic: Toolchain
14:09:58 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1967
14:09:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1967 PR 1967 - Documenting Ways to Further Automate the Toolchain
14:10:37 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/c4bda9b12e74ba2ef7b5b52aab44f79f8c097405/toolchain/tool-analysis.md rendered tool-analysis.md
14:10:37 <luca_barbato> ege: Madha prepared a PR with the presentation of the tools presented last time
14:10:45 <Ege> q?
14:10:58 <kaz> q+
14:11:01 <luca_barbato> ege: any objections to this PR? I'd merge it if nobody is against it
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14:12:58 <luca_barbato> kaz: The toolchain is really complex, is there a way to make it simpler?
14:13:33 <luca_barbato> ege: The work is done in this direction
14:13:53 <Ege> q?
14:13:57 <kaz> ack k
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14:14:20 <kaz> kaz: probably not for today, but
14:14:23 <luca_barbato> topic: Version discussion
14:14:49 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965
14:14:55 <luca_barbato> I have a PR that is summarising the discussion so far
14:14:59 <kaz> s/but/but we need to have dedicated discussion about how to deal with the tooling and documentation for them separately./
14:15:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft miutes
14:15:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft miutes', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:15:14 <kaz> s/rrsagent, draft miutes//
14:15:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:55 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965 PR 1965 - Reorganize Versioning document|
14:16:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:16:10 <kaz> q+ McCool
14:16:21 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann
14:16:50 <kaz> q+
14:17:05 <luca_barbato> mm: The recent comments from Mahda may still need to be included in the summary
14:17:32 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1966 related PR 1966 - SHACL validation errors
14:17:56 <luca_barbato> ege: Let me update it now
14:18:45 <kaz> i|Let|(going back to the main topic on Versioning)|
14:19:20 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/7bbcd486c7814751c3172546174aba731ec413f9/VERSIONING.md rendered VERSIONING.md
14:19:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:19:38 <luca_barbato> ege: We should include the version in the ontology metadata, Mahda?
14:20:00 <luca_barbato> mahda: Correct
14:21:58 <luca_barbato> mm: MOD 2.0 is not yet finalized, we can track it.
14:22:11 <luca_barbato> ege: We can see if there are already applicable ideas
14:22:31 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/egekorkan-patch-1/VERSIONING.md
14:25:11 <dape> q+
14:25:16 <kaz> ack k
14:25:18 <kaz> ack mc
14:25:24 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd add that for us it is important to use it during intesting
14:25:48 <luca_barbato> s/use it/use the version ids/
14:27:55 <luca_barbato> dape: We should keep the version in sync across the produced documents, ontologies and schemas
14:28:19 <Ege> q?
14:28:19 <luca_barbato> q+
14:28:26 <dape> ack dape
14:30:21 <luca_barbato> lb: releases should be synced, during pre-release we can bump the prerelease tags on the single document changed
14:31:00 <luca_barbato> mm: For plugfest and testing we can make a internal versions/releases that easy to refer to
14:31:24 <McCool> q?
14:31:54 <luca_barbato> ege: Before merging, anybody would like to add more?
14:32:06 <luca_barbato> <no more comments>
14:32:49 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Versioning Timeline
14:33:25 <McCool> q+
14:34:12 <luca_barbato> ege: Do we all agree to do versioning all time even before rec
14:34:42 <luca_barbato> mm: We can have different namespace for rec and development
14:35:05 <Mizushima> ack luca
14:35:11 <luca_barbato> ..so we have clear distinction
14:35:14 <Mizushima> ack McCool
14:35:19 <mahda-noura> +1
14:35:19 <kaz> q+
14:35:32 <luca_barbato> q+
14:35:56 <luca_barbato> kaz: it is cleaner and it similar to the linux kernel and such
14:36:09 <luca_barbato> .. but do we need it?
14:36:46 <kaz> s/need/really need/
14:38:09 <luca_barbato> lb: semver covers the namespace needs and I think versioning this way should be easy also on our users
14:39:08 <luca_barbato> ege: How to map it to URI?
14:39:38 <luca_barbato> mm: There should be a generic IRI that returns the latest stable and the latest unstable version
14:41:17 <McCool> q+
14:41:21 <kaz> ack k
14:42:37 <McCool> ack m
14:42:46 <luca_barbato> https://semver.org/
14:43:26 <luca_barbato> ege: if there is no objection, I record the preliminary decision to do versioning even before Rec
14:43:46 <luca_barbato> topic: Synchronization of Changes
14:44:13 <luca_barbato> ege: I'm not sure if we want to sync all the versions in the documents
14:44:41 <luca_barbato> ... my initial thinking is to keep them separated, but it would make everything more complicated
14:44:43 <luca_barbato> +q
14:51:03 <kaz> q?
14:54:10 <Ege> q?
14:56:30 <kaz> q+
14:56:37 <Ege> ack l
14:57:20 <luca_barbato> lb: It is more a problem of tooling if we want to keep version metadata in sync for every document produced
14:57:50 <luca_barbato> .. Ideally the version is for the whole tree and the publishing (prerelease or release) process will add the metadata to the content
14:58:23 <luca_barbato> .. we can have a CI task that does a weekly publishing and our user can refer to the github.io prerelease
14:59:53 <luca_barbato> kaz: It seems getting quite complicated, once we have a the full process we should go through it to make sure it works for everybody
14:59:53 <luca_barbato> mm: I suggest to have the interested people to make a full proposal and then decide as TF after
14:59:59 <Ege> q?
15:00:21 <kaz> ack k
15:00:39 <kaz> s/the full/full/
15:00:42 <luca_barbato> ege: I guess me and Luca and Mahda can come up with a full proposal
15:02:03 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:02:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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