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16:56:21 <ktk> meeting:  RDF-Star WG biweekly meeting
16:56:36 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240208T120000/
16:56:37 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:56:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: [1]
16:56:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion [2]
16:56:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Charter extension / rechartering
16:56:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at [3]
16:56:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at [4]
16:56:43 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at [5]
16:56:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
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16:58:57 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:58:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:59:04 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
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17:00:38 <AndyS> AndyS has changed the topic to: rdf-star "RDF Star - https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240208T120000/"
17:00:49 <AndyS> AndyS has changed the topic to: rdf-star RDF Star - https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240208T120000/
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17:00:59 <ktk> Scribe: rubensworks:
17:01:01 <ktk> Scribe: rubensworks
17:01:03 <fsasaki> present+
17:01:11 <niklasl> present+
17:01:12 <TallTed> s/Scribe: rubensworks://
17:01:14 <Tpt> present+
17:01:24 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:01:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:01:31 <ktk> Regrets: souri, olaf, pchampin
17:01:31 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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17:01:49 <AZ> present+
17:02:13 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:02:29 <ora> present+
17:02:33 <ora> chair: ora
17:03:07 <ora> scribe: rubensworks
17:03:32 <ktk> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:03:35 <rubensworks> ora: We need to approve 2 sets of minutes.
17:04:02 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
17:04:03 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:03 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/15-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:08 <TallTed> Zakim, open item 1
17:04:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -- taken up [from 1 via agendabot]
17:04:09 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2024-01-25
17:04:15 <pfps> +1
17:04:19 <gkellogg> 0
17:04:20 <rubensworks> +0
17:04:22 <tl> +1
17:04:22 <ktk> +1
17:04:25 <AndyS> +1
17:04:26 <niklasl> +1
17:04:26 <ora> +0
17:04:30 <fsasaki> +1
17:04:33 <eBremer> +1
17:04:37 <TallTed> s|minutes 2024-01-25| minutes 2024-01-25 https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-rdf-star-minutes.html|
17:04:43 <TallTed> +1
17:04:44 <AZ> +0
17:04:54 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2024-01-25
17:05:11 <ktk> https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:05:32 <TallTed> s|minutes 2024-01-25| minutes 2024-01-25 https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-rdf-star-minutes.html |
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17:06:44 <pfps> also look fine to me
17:06:53 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 2024-02-01
17:06:59 <AZ> +1
17:06:59 <niklasl> +1
17:07:00 <ora> +1
17:07:01 <rubensworks> +0
17:07:03 <ktk> +1
17:07:03 <gkellogg> +1
17:07:04 <TallTed> +1
17:07:04 <tl> +1
17:07:04 <eBremer> +1
17:07:20 <AndyS> +1
17:07:39 <pfps> +1
17:07:45 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 2024-02-01
17:08:26 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:08:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -- taken up [from 2]
17:08:57 <TallTed> s| Approve minutes 2024-02-01| Approve minutes 2024-02-01 https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:09:01 <ora> q?
17:09:03 <AndyS> q+
17:09:05 <pfps> q+
17:09:06 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:09:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:09:13 <rubensworks> ora: Where are we with respect to getting towards a consensus on what we will do in the remainder of this group?
17:09:18 <ora> ack AndyS
17:09:21 <rubensworks> ... I feel we made a lot of progress in the last few meetings.
17:09:37 <rubensworks> AndyS: I wrote out implications of approach 2 and 3.
17:09:46 <rubensworks> ... It was in a long e-mail.
17:10:10 <ora> ack pfps
17:10:13 <niklasl> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Feb/0005.html
17:10:22 <rubensworks> pfps: We need to make a choice between option 2 and 3.
17:10:31 <tl> q+
17:10:42 <rubensworks> ora: Could we have one final discussion about this next week, and vote on those two?
17:11:05 <rubensworks> pfps: Minutes of this week should clarify we will make this decision, as it's substantive.
17:11:15 <rubensworks> gkellogg: We need a resolution on this to make it clear.
17:11:19 <TallTed> s|https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Feb/0005.html|Andy's long email https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2024Feb/0005.html
17:11:31 <rubensworks> ora: We need a good link for people to read the options.
17:11:53 <rubensworks> AndyS: PA's summary could be linked.
17:12:11 <rubensworks> tl: Option 1 is still on the table.
17:12:26 <AndyS> PA's summary doc: https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/seeking-consensus-2024-01.html
17:12:40 <rubensworks> ora: Maybe Thomas can argue next week why it's still on the table.
17:12:55 <rubensworks> ora: Most other people have converged to option 2 or 3.
17:13:07 <rubensworks> ... We should be able to decide by the end of next meeting.
17:13:31 <ktk> q+
17:13:31 <rubensworks> tl: I will prepare this.
17:13:36 <ktk> ack TallTed
17:13:39 <ktk> ack tl
17:13:47 <ora> ack ktk
17:14:14 <rubensworks> ktk: I can set the agenda tomorrow for next week, so people are aware.
17:14:29 <rubensworks> ora: AZ also voted for option 1.
17:14:34 <rubensworks> ... Let's put it to rest next week.
17:14:38 <ora> PROPOSAL: Next week we decide between options #1, #2 and #3
17:14:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/1 -> CLOSED Issue 1 No activity (nor even README) since WG approval in August (by TallTed)
17:14:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/2 -> Issue 2 RDF* in CBOR? (by ChristopherA)
17:14:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/3 -> CLOSED Issue 3 Convert SPARQL specs to ReSpec (by afs) [complete]
17:14:58 <ora> +1
17:15:01 <gkellogg> +1
17:15:02 <rubensworks> +1
17:15:02 <niklasl> +1
17:15:02 <pfps> +1
17:15:05 <eBremer> +1
17:15:07 <AndyS> +1
17:15:07 <gtw> +1
17:15:10 <AZ> +0
17:15:11 <ktk> +1
17:15:11 <doerthe> +1
17:15:17 <tl> +0
17:15:18 <TallTed> +1
17:15:25 <fsasaki> +1
17:15:35 <ora> RESOLUTION: Next week we decide between options 1, 2, and 3
17:15:51 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:15:51 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Charter extension / rechartering -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:16:07 <rubensworks> ktk: This topic came up 2 weeks ago.
17:16:35 <rubensworks> ... I remember hearing if you're not nearly done by January, it is not realistic to end by the charter deadline August.
17:16:45 <rubensworks> ora: It's safe to start the rechartering.
17:17:17 <rubensworks> ... It doesn't need to be a big deal.
17:17:34 <rubensworks> ... We will need to vote on it.
17:18:23 <rubensworks> ora: ktk and I will pick up the topic of rechartering in the next chairs meeting.
17:18:31 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:18:31 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 3]
17:19:13 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:19:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:19:51 <rubensworks> AndyS: Do we need to add living standard option to the rechartering at this point?
17:20:14 <rubensworks> gkellogg: We want to include the SPARQL SEPs for example.
17:20:34 <rubensworks> ... Some things feel left unfinished (e.g. lists).
17:20:45 <pfps> q+
17:20:53 <ora> ack pfps
17:20:53 <rubensworks> ora: I don't know, but we need to check.
17:21:03 <rubensworks> pfps: Also check if the maintenance group can fix errors in specs.
17:21:14 <rubensworks> ... Maybe we can not fix all of them in this group.
17:21:16 <gkellogg> q+
17:21:23 <ora> ack gkellogg
17:22:04 <rubensworks> gkellogg: JSON-LD has been in maintenance mode for some time and has been doing substantive work on the specs, but hasn't released updates on that. There is a complicated process. But I believe it could. But don't think it will until RDF 1.2 is done due to dependencies.
17:22:07 <TallTed> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/3 -> CLOSED Issue 3 Convert SPARQL specs to ReSpec (by afs) [complete]||
17:22:07 <TallTed> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/2 -> Issue 2 RDF* in CBOR? (by ChristopherA)||
17:22:07 <TallTed> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/1 -> CLOSED Issue 1 No activity (nor even README) since WG approval in August (by TallTed)||
17:22:08 <TallTed> s|PROPOSAL: Next week we decide between options #1, #2 and #3|PROPOSAL: Next week we decide between options 1, 2 and 3
17:22:21 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:22:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:22:50 <rubensworks> gkellogg: I believe the JSON-LD maintenance group is chartered to do that. Philip might now.
17:23:21 <ktk> Open actions: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:23:33 <gkellogg> s/Philip/Phillipe/
17:23:51 <rubensworks> ktk: Since PA is not here, we can go to the next one.
17:23:51 <ktk> zakim, next item
17:23:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Review of pull requests, available at -- taken up [from 4]
17:23:55 <TallTed> s/agendum 4 -- Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 3]//
17:24:12 <ktk> Open pull requests https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
17:25:04 <rubensworks> AndyS: 134 is from Olaf, can go in, everyone has agreed.
17:25:34 <rubensworks> ora: Don't think we'll discuss mobile phones one now.
17:25:48 <rubensworks> gkellogg: The 2 for Turtle are just corrections to examples.
17:25:55 <ora> q?
17:26:08 <TallTed> +1 merge turtle/53 and turtle/54
17:26:11 <rubensworks> ... They have been open long enough.
17:26:24 <rubensworks> ora: What about 35?
17:26:54 <rubensworks> AndyS: That's just a correction by what's already there.
17:27:18 <rubensworks> ... I'll merge that one.
17:28:05 <rubensworks> Tpt: Some PRs for new spec tests for things in previous SPARQL spec versions that were not properly tested.
17:28:34 <rubensworks> AndyS: These follow the CG merging approach, as it's not related to this WG.
17:29:04 <rubensworks> AndyS: The whitespace PR is based on PA's consensus document.
17:29:39 <rubensworks> ora: I see no reason to not merge those.
17:30:06 <rubensworks> ora: Anything else?
17:30:15 <ktk> zakim, next item
17:30:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Issue Triage, available at -- taken up [from 5]
17:30:18 <gkellogg> q+
17:30:20 <ktk> Issue Triage: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
17:30:25 <ora> ack gkellogg
17:30:35 <rubensworks> gkellogg: There are 9 issues that have proposed-closing tag for some time.
17:31:08 <rubensworks> pfps: I went through most of the issues 2 weeks ago, and some of them are from that.
17:31:33 <rubensworks> ora: Anyone disagree with closing them?
17:31:55 <rubensworks> ora: Let's close then.
17:32:14 <pfps> q+
17:32:34 <ora> ack pfps
17:32:52 <rubensworks> pfps: At the bottom of the list are issues that I was not sure about how to categorize. Could someone look at them?
17:34:10 <rubensworks> ora: What about the use case issues?
17:34:27 <rubensworks> pfps: Every use case is an issue. Not sure what to do about them. We can consider them inert for now.
17:34:45 <rubensworks> ... There is also no real harm in closing them. I'll look at them.
17:36:22 <rubensworks> AndyS: It may be useful to exclude the rdf-test ones, as they are unrelated.
17:37:58 <ktk> q?
17:38:13 <ktk> zakim, next item
17:38:13 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:38:21 <rubensworks> ora: AOB?
17:38:32 <pfps> q+
17:38:38 <ora> ack pfps
17:39:04 <rubensworks> pfps: SPARQL errors: we should look at the list to see if we can knock some of those off.
17:39:32 <rubensworks> AndyS: I think we will find more time if the reification issue is resolved.
17:39:55 <rubensworks> AndyS: The main one is EXISTS and should be taken care off.
17:40:20 <rubensworks> pfps: Is there an issue specific to that one?
17:40:28 <rubensworks> AndyS: Yes, but I don't know which one.
17:41:41 <rubensworks> ... It's 75.
17:42:15 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:42:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:42:56 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/issues/130
17:42:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/issues/130 -> Issue 130 Criteria for evaluating errata changes for EXISTS (by afs) [spec:bug]
17:44:09 <rubensworks> ora: AOOB?
17:44:19 <rubensworks> AndyS: Semantics TF tomorrow?
17:45:11 <rubensworks> ora: Olaf and Suri are at the Daghstuhl.
17:45:25 <rubensworks> ora: I hope to see you tomorrow at the semantics meeting.
17:45:32 <rubensworks> ... We can adjourn.
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17:46:27 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:46:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:47:04 <ora> TallTed, thanks for handling all the minutes minutiae [sp?]
17:48:31 <TallTed> every little bit helps :-)
19:54:16 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
19:54:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
19:54:54 <TallTed> Zakim, end meeting
19:54:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ktk, AndyS, gtw, eBremer, rubensworks, gkellogg, TallTed, fsasaki, niklasl, Tpt, AZ, ora, doerthe
19:54:54 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:54:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
19:55:00 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:55:19 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
19:55:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items