15:03:53 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 15:03:57 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-irc 15:09:29 mjk_ has joined #wot-td 15:14:16 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1 15:14:24 scribenick: mjk_ 15:14:39 topic: minutes review 15:16:06 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/31-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-31 15:16:49 chair: Ege, Koster 15:17:18 ege: minutes approved 15:17:20 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann 15:17:35 topic: agenda refinement 15:17:39 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_7_and_February_8%2C_2024 15:17:46 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_7_and_February_8%2C_2024 agenda for today 15:18:01 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 15:18:14 q+ 15:18:24 ege: can we extend the time slot by 10 minutes when we start late? 15:19:41 kaz: We could extend, but the suggestion is to structure the agenda to end meetings 5-10 minutes before the hour 15:20:15 ack k 15:20:22 rrsagent, make log public 15:20:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:20:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 15:21:29 ege: propose to move the issues to the backlog 15:22:33 ... also move the list of protocols in the binding section to the backlog 15:23:11 topic: TD 15:23:34 subtopic: PR #1966 15:24:39 mahda: this PR addresses 2 issues listed in the comments, some of the issues are out of date 15:25:07 ... one issue is SHACL validation around the title property 15:25:59 ... SHACL playground is not maintained, using pyshacl now 15:26:00 ack k 15:26:39 ... to fix, made the title required to be a language string or a string 15:27:12 i|this PR a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1966 PR 1966 - SHACL validation errors| 15:27:12 ... another problem is the dataschema was a string literal and needed to be an IRI 15:27:52 i|this PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1345 related Issue 1345 - Wrong validation errors with SHACL| 15:29:05 ... TDs converted to triples aren't rdf thing class 15:30:38 dape has joined #wot-td 15:30:38 ege: TMs are rdf thing type 15:30:40 q+ 15:31:08 ... should we mandate @type rdf:thing for TDs also? 15:31:39 dape: we may need to open an issue on the rdf processing 15:32:10 q+ 15:32:11 ege: this issue isn't complete, we need to look into the tooling more 15:32:39 luca: why is this required? 15:33:15 mahda: SHACL shape validation rules only validate instances of type thing 15:34:03 ... type thing can't be inferred 15:34:36 luca: can we have a default? 15:35:13 mahda: doubt it 15:35:20 q? 15:35:51 ack dape 15:36:40 luca: we need some way to process TDs without requiring JSON-LD 15:38:38 ege: maybe there is a mechanism for defaulting, otherwise existing TDs would be invalid 15:38:51 rrsagent, make log public 15:38:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:38:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 15:39:09 subtopic: PR #1965 15:39:44 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965 PR 1965 - Reorganize Versioning document 15:39:48 ege: please look at this PR for review tomorrow 15:41:01 subtopic: PR #1176 15:41:22 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/egekorkan-patch-4/planning/ThingDescription/work-items.md 15:42:29 ege: the proposal is to work on document refactoring and tooling while the use case development is in progress 15:42:49 i|https|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1176 wot PR 1176 - TD Planning: First actionable roadmap| 15:42:57 ... are there other suggestions for work items? 15:43:03 q? 15:43:12 q+ 15:43:13 q- 15:43:16 JKRhb has joined #wot-td 15:43:40 ack k 15:44:31 ege: any issues with merging? 15:44:50 ... we can discuss the items tomorrow 15:45:11 subtopic: project management proposal 15:47:03 ... reviewing the figure 15:47:09 ... any comments? 15:47:26 subtopic: use case discussion 15:47:40 ege: has everyone done the issue labeling? 15:47:45 +1 15:48:09 mjk: has not yet 15:48:34 i|has ev|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/egekorkan-issue-process/tf-issue-process.md tf-issue-process.md| 15:48:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:48:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 15:48:58 q? 15:49:39 ege: the decision was to do the work in the TD task force, then transfer to the Use Case TF 15:50:56 q+ 15:51:08 ege: we will filter out the Use Case issues and work on the remainder of the issues first 15:51:29 ege: was there discussion in the UC call about this? 15:52:06 kaz: there was general discussion about policies and procedures 15:53:00 ... there will be an issue created in the UC TF for how to handle feedback to the other task forces 15:54:25 kaz: can we send the request to the member mailing list also? 15:54:56 i|can we|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-wot/2024Jan/0009.html Ege's message archvied on team-wot| 15:55:05 q+ 15:55:07 ege: are there any issues that came up in the labeling we need to discuss? 15:55:09 ack k 15:55:30 fyi 15:55:31 [[ 15:55:31 * Michael Koster: In TD Repo, Page 2. Issue 1875 to 1751. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:32 * Mahda Noura: In TD Repo, Page 3. Issue 1749 to 1567. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=3&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:32 * Tomoaki Mizushima: In TD Repo, Page 4. Issue 1559 to 1395. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=4&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:34 * Jan Romann: In TD Repo, Page 5. Issue 1394 to 1233. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=5&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:37 * Luca Barbato: In TD Repo, Page 6. Issue 1231 to 1078. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=6&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:40 * Kunihiko Toumura: In TD Repo, Page 7. Issue 1076 to 933. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=7&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:43 * Cristiano Aguzzi: In Binding Repo, Page 1. Issue 342 to 239. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues 15:55:46 * Daniel Peintner: In Binding Repo, Page 2. Issue 226 to 124. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen 15:55:49 * Ege Korkan: In Binding Repo, Page 3, TD Repo Page 8. Issue 121 to 8 in Binding Repo, 921 to 2 in TD Repo. Page links for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=8&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen and https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?page=3&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen. 15:55:55 ]] 15:57:09 q? 15:57:17 ack j 15:57:18 jan: one issue regarding the security refactoring 15:57:21 ege: added 15:57:36 q? 15:58:12 subtopic: expectations from the use case process 15:58:29 q+ 15:58:48 ege: what do the users of TD expect form the use case process? 15:59:29 i/jan: one issue/subtopic: Issue 1394/ 15:59:52 luca: it will prevent gaps in the delivered specification 16:00:10 i|jan: one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1394 Issue 1394 - name and in fields for BasicSecurityScheme and DigestSecurityScheme needed?| 16:00:11 ... there is a marketing use in exposing solutions to problems 16:00:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:00:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 16:01:11 ... for developers of the spec: use cases => requirements => features 16:02:31 i|reviewing the f|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md| 16:03:23 s/expect form/expect for/ 16:03:58 ... we should not need to go back to use cases once requirements are defined 16:04:23 ege: we could require a new use case if the requirements are incomplete 16:04:50 q? 16:05:03 q+ 16:05:52 ack l 16:06:02 ack k 16:06:23 kaz: as the TD task force, we should identify which stakeholders are our target, and work out with the UC task force 16:06:35 s/expect for/expect from/ 16:06:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:06:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 16:08:33 ege: any other topics or comments? 16:09:02 ... next week we invited Ben Francis to discuss his proposal 16:09:09 ... adjourned 16:40:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:40:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 18:18:25 Zakim has left #wot-td