IRC log of wot-td on 2024-02-07

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1

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scribenick: mjk_

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topic: minutes review

15:16:06 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/31-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-31

15:16:49 [kaz]

chair: Ege, Koster

15:17:18 [mjk_]

ege: minutes approved

15:17:20 [kaz]

present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peintner, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann

15:17:35 [mjk_]

topic: agenda refinement

15:17:39 [kaz]

agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_7_and_February_8%2C_2024

15:17:46 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_7_and_February_8%2C_2024 agenda for today

15:18:01 [kaz]

present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

15:18:14 [kaz]

q+

15:18:24 [mjk_]

ege: can we extend the time slot by 10 minutes when we start late?

15:19:41 [mjk_]

kaz: We could extend, but the suggestion is to structure the agenda to end meetings 5-10 minutes before the hour

15:20:15 [kaz]

ack k

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rrsagent, make log public

15:20:24 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:20:25 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

15:21:29 [mjk_]

ege: propose to move the issues to the backlog

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... also move the list of protocols in the binding section to the backlog

15:23:11 [mjk_]

topic: TD

15:23:34 [mjk_]

subtopic: PR #1966

15:24:39 [mjk_]

mahda: this PR addresses 2 issues listed in the comments, some of the issues are out of date

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... one issue is SHACL validation around the title property

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... SHACL playground is not maintained, using pyshacl now

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ack k

15:26:39 [mjk_]

... to fix, made the title required to be a language string or a string

15:27:12 [kaz]

i|this PR a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1966 PR 1966 - SHACL validation errors|

15:27:12 [mjk_]

... another problem is the dataschema was a string literal and needed to be an IRI

15:27:52 [kaz]

i|this PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1345 related Issue 1345 - Wrong validation errors with SHACL|

15:29:05 [mjk_]

... TDs converted to triples aren't rdf thing class

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ege: TMs are rdf thing type

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q+

15:31:08 [mjk_]

... should we mandate @type rdf:thing for TDs also?

15:31:39 [mjk_]

dape: we may need to open an issue on the rdf processing

15:32:10 [luca_barbato]

q+

15:32:11 [mjk_]

ege: this issue isn't complete, we need to look into the tooling more

15:32:39 [mjk_]

luca: why is this required?

15:33:15 [mjk_]

mahda: SHACL shape validation rules only validate instances of type thing

15:34:03 [mjk_]

... type thing can't be inferred

15:34:36 [mjk_]

luca: can we have a default?

15:35:13 [mjk_]

mahda: doubt it

15:35:20 [mjk_]

q?

15:35:51 [dape]

ack dape

15:36:40 [mjk_]

luca: we need some way to process TDs without requiring JSON-LD

15:38:38 [mjk_]

ege: maybe there is a mechanism for defaulting, otherwise existing TDs would be invalid

15:38:51 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

15:39:09 [mjk_]

subtopic: PR #1965

15:39:44 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965 PR 1965 - Reorganize Versioning document

15:39:48 [mjk_]

ege: please look at this PR for review tomorrow

15:41:01 [mjk_]

subtopic: PR #1176

15:41:22 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/egekorkan-patch-4/planning/ThingDescription/work-items.md

15:42:29 [mjk_]

ege: the proposal is to work on document refactoring and tooling while the use case development is in progress

15:42:49 [kaz]

i|https|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1176 wot PR 1176 - TD Planning: First actionable roadmap|

15:42:57 [mjk_]

... are there other suggestions for work items?

15:43:03 [Ege]

q?

15:43:12 [kaz]

q+

15:43:13 [luca_barbato]

q-

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ack k

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ege: any issues with merging?

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... we can discuss the items tomorrow

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subtopic: project management proposal

15:47:03 [mjk_]

... reviewing the figure

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... any comments?

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subtopic: use case discussion

15:47:40 [mjk_]

ege: has everyone done the issue labeling?

15:47:45 [mahda-noura]

+1

15:48:09 [mjk_]

mjk: has not yet

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i|has ev|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/egekorkan-issue-process/tf-issue-process.md tf-issue-process.md|

15:48:39 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

15:48:58 [mjk_]

q?

15:49:39 [mjk_]

ege: the decision was to do the work in the TD task force, then transfer to the Use Case TF

15:50:56 [kaz]

q+

15:51:08 [mjk_]

ege: we will filter out the Use Case issues and work on the remainder of the issues first

15:51:29 [mjk_]

ege: was there discussion in the UC call about this?

15:52:06 [mjk_]

kaz: there was general discussion about policies and procedures

15:53:00 [mjk_]

... there will be an issue created in the UC TF for how to handle feedback to the other task forces

15:54:25 [mjk_]

kaz: can we send the request to the member mailing list also?

15:54:56 [kaz]

i|can we|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-wot/2024Jan/0009.html Ege's message archvied on team-wot|

15:55:05 [JKRhb]

q+

15:55:07 [mjk_]

ege: are there any issues that came up in the labeling we need to discuss?

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ack k

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fyi

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[[

15:55:31 [kaz]

* Michael Koster: In TD Repo, Page 2. Issue 1875 to 1751. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:32 [kaz]

* Mahda Noura: In TD Repo, Page 3. Issue 1749 to 1567. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=3&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:32 [kaz]

* Tomoaki Mizushima: In TD Repo, Page 4. Issue 1559 to 1395. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=4&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:34 [kaz]

* Jan Romann: In TD Repo, Page 5. Issue 1394 to 1233. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=5&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:37 [kaz]

* Luca Barbato: In TD Repo, Page 6. Issue 1231 to 1078. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=6&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:40 [kaz]

* Kunihiko Toumura: In TD Repo, Page 7. Issue 1076 to 933. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=7&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:43 [kaz]

* Cristiano Aguzzi: In Binding Repo, Page 1. Issue 342 to 239. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues

15:55:46 [kaz]

* Daniel Peintner: In Binding Repo, Page 2. Issue 226 to 124. Page link for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

15:55:49 [kaz]

* Ege Korkan: In Binding Repo, Page 3, TD Repo Page 8. Issue 121 to 8 in Binding Repo, 921 to 2 in TD Repo. Page links for now: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?page=8&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen and https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?page=3&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen.

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]]

15:57:09 [Ege]

q?

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ack j

15:57:18 [mjk_]

jan: one issue regarding the security refactoring

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ege: added

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q?

15:58:12 [mjk_]

subtopic: expectations from the use case process

15:58:29 [luca_barbato]

q+

15:58:48 [mjk_]

ege: what do the users of TD expect form the use case process?

15:59:29 [kaz]

i/jan: one issue/subtopic: Issue 1394/

15:59:52 [mjk_]

luca: it will prevent gaps in the delivered specification

16:00:10 [kaz]

i|jan: one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1394 Issue 1394 - name and in fields for BasicSecurityScheme and DigestSecurityScheme needed?|

16:00:11 [mjk_]

... there is a marketing use in exposing solutions to problems

16:00:20 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

16:01:11 [mjk_]

... for developers of the spec: use cases => requirements => features

16:02:31 [kaz]

i|reviewing the f|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md|

16:03:23 [kaz]

s/expect form/expect for/

16:03:58 [mjk_]

... we should not need to go back to use cases once requirements are defined

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ege: we could require a new use case if the requirements are incomplete

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q?

16:05:03 [kaz]

q+

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ack l

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ack k

16:06:23 [mjk_]

kaz: as the TD task force, we should identify which stakeholders are our target, and work out with the UC task force

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s/expect for/expect from/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

16:08:33 [mjk_]

ege: any other topics or comments?

16:09:02 [mjk_]

... next week we invited Ben Francis to discuss his proposal

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... adjourned

16:40:18 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/07-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

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