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06:34:52 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
06:34:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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15:13:50 <TallTed> present+
15:14:28 <niklasl> present+
15:14:41 <tl> present+
15:14:44 <pchampin> present+
15:14:55 <ora> present+
15:14:58 <AndyS> present+
15:15:02 <TallTed> meeting: RDF-star Semantics TF
15:15:24 <TallTed> chair: ora
15:15:30 <TallTed> present+ gkellogg
15:15:32 <doerthe> present+
15:16:10 <TallTed> present+ pfps
15:16:20 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:16:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
15:16:26 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:17:04 <pchampin> q+
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15:17:13 <gkellogg> present+
15:17:56 <niklasl> q+
15:18:07 <pfps> q+
15:18:10 <pfps> q-
15:19:19 <ora> ack pchampin
15:20:06 <AndyS> q+
15:21:13 <gkellogg> q+
15:21:19 <ora> ack niklasl
15:21:40 <AndyS> q-
15:23:13 <AndyS> q+
15:24:56 <ora> ack gkellogg
15:25:25 <tl> niklas: in proposal 1 just add some  :e :partOf :g to "fake" a graph containement
15:26:00 <pchampin> q+ to ask about compliance levels
15:26:01 <niklasl> yes, I could go with that too if that's where we end up
15:26:35 <niklasl> +1 to gregg's point about working with existing RDF 1.1 systems
15:27:07 <ora> ack AndyS
15:28:41 <tl> q+
15:29:04 <tl> q-
15:29:46 <pchampin> +1, it's too early to talk about optimization :->
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15:30:23 <tl> q+
15:30:30 <niklasl> +1, more about well-formedness / integrity perhaps?
15:30:30 <ora> ack pchampin
15:30:30 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask about compliance levels
15:33:05 <ora> ack tl
15:37:54 <niklasl> +1 for a very neutral name for what is currently rdfx:nameOf
15:38:18 <AndyS> q+ to talk about renaming reification vocabulary
15:40:11 <TallTed> double chevron == `<< >>`
15:40:15 <TallTed> properly, "double angle brackets"
15:40:22 <gkellogg> q+ to ask about <<()>> in concrete syntaxes
15:40:25 <ora> ack AndyS
15:40:25 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to talk about renaming reification vocabulary
15:41:12 <pchampin> q+
15:41:21 <ora> ack gkellogg
15:41:21 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to ask about <<()>> in concrete syntaxes
15:42:47 <AndyS> q+
15:42:50 <ora> ack pchampin
15:46:08 <ora> ack AndyS
15:46:08 <tl> q+
15:47:13 <niklasl> A way to "control" sugar+: rdfx:triple rdfs:range [ owl:intersectionOf ( [ owl:onProperty rdf:subject ; owl:cardinality 1 ] [ owl:onProperty rdf:predicate ; owl:cardinality 1 ] [ owl:onProperty rdf:object ; owl:cardinality 1 ]) ] .
15:48:50 <ora> ack tl
15:53:43 <TallTed> i|meeting: RDF-star Semantics TF|topic: continuing discussion of https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/seeking-consensus-2024-01.md|
15:53:48 <TallTed> q+
15:54:08 <ora> ack TallTed
15:54:24 <gkellogg> q+
15:54:31 <ora> ack gkellogg
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15:58:33 <TallTed> hmmmm... the htmlpreview doesn't update when the html it previews is updated? https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/seeking-consensus-2024-01.html
15:59:20 <pchampin> TallTed you might need to "strong-refresh"
15:59:39 <niklasl> q+
16:00:05 <pchampin> q+
16:00:06 <doerthe> q+
16:01:11 <AndyS> q+
16:03:02 <ora> ack niklasl
16:04:41 <ora> ack pchampin
16:04:41 <gkellogg> q+
16:04:53 <pchampin> well-formed-ness constraint: "the object of rdf:nameOf must have exactly one rdf:subject, one rdf:predicate, one rdf:object, and no two distinct nodes in the object of rdf:nameOf can have the same subject, predicate and object"
16:08:35 <ora> ack doerthe
16:10:28 <ora> ack AndyS
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16:12:28 <enrico> present+
16:12:37 <enrico> q+
16:14:39 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:14:59 <doerthe> thank you andy, I was really just curious
16:17:01 <pchampin> q+
16:17:32 <niklasl> +1 to Gregg
16:17:57 <ora> ack enrico
16:20:09 <AndyS> :e1 rdf:nameOf <<( :s :p :o )>> . :e2 rdf:nameOf <<( :s :p :o )>> .  matches :e1 rdf:nameOf ?Z .  :e2 rdf:nameOf ?Z .   -- one term in the object position, used twice.
16:21:02 <pchampin> + 1 AndyS
16:21:14 <niklasl> +1 to AndyS's example; that is what we need.
16:21:37 <AndyS> q+
16:24:32 <ora> ack pchampin
16:25:52 <enrico> q+
16:28:04 <ora> ack AndyS
16:28:22 <AndyS> q-
16:29:03 <ora> ack enrico
16:29:44 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:29:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:30:53 <pchampin> I stand corrected, this goes beyond the problem of leanness
16:31:09 <TallTed> s|hmmmm... the htmlpreview doesn't update when the html it previews is updated? https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/seeking-consensus-2024-01.html||
16:31:09 <TallTed> s/TallTed you might need to "strong-refresh"//
16:31:21 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:31:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:32:52 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:33:09 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/02/08-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:33:13 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:33:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/02-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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