IRC log of wot-td on 2024-02-01

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2

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chair: Ege, Koster

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#January_31_and_February_1%2C_2024

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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura

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present+ Daniel_Peintner

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q+

14:04:29 [luca_barbato]

present+ Luca_Barbato

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ack k

14:06:00 [Ege]

luca can you take minutes?

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present+ Mahda_Noura

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scribenick: kaz

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi

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topic: Agenda

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ek: (goes through the agenda)

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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#January_31_and_February_1%2C_2024 Agenda for today

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topic: Minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-25

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ek: (goes through the minutes)

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approved

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topic: Binding Templates

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ek: (goes through the topics quickly)

14:09:50 [cris_]

q+

14:09:59 [kaz]

subtopic: PR 1161

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1161 wot PR 1161 - docs: IANA procedures for registries summary

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ca: there are different ways to manage registries

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/7204062231c25c2c666539815c3e78546bf38ad2/registry-analysis/Readme.md rendered Readme.md

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ca: different policies for different registries

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... e.g., IANA for protocols

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... have been trying to summarize them

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ek: any review policy there?

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ca: expert review based on RFC8124, etc.

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... some description about the role of the designated expert

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ek: (skims that section)

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... (goes through "URI Schemes" section too)

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ca: details written on the registry itself

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https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml

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(guideline for media types registration)

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ca: basically, first com, first served

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ek: thanks a lot for looking into them

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q+

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... quite relevant

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ack c

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ack k

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kaz: tx a lot!

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... we (as the TD TF) then need to think about which way to go

14:24:13 [Ege]

q?

14:24:18 [kaz]

... need to think about the basic mechanism and policy

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q+

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q+

14:24:30 [kaz]

... then should propose a method to the whole group

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ek: right

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dp: looking into IANA, are we still need to get idea from their side?

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q+

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ack dape

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ek: the first step is basic survey about existing examples

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... we could follow some of the process from the example registries

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... but need to think about how to apply them to our need

14:26:21 [luca_barbato]

q+

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... we ourselves won't write write RFCs for our own registry

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ca: similar question

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... wanted to know what the group think

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q+

14:28:32 [kaz]

ek: record comments on the GH issue

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ack k

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ack c

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ack c

14:29:19 [JKRhb]

q-

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q?

14:30:12 [kaz]

kaz: I think we're trying a 3-step approach

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... 1. survey the existing examples for registry management

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... 2. clarify our requirements for Binding Template registry

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... 3. think about which policies/processes to be applied to our own registry

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... we've done the first step, and need to work on 2 and 3

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ek: agree

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lb: we have several contacts from IANA

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... if we invent new Protocol Bindings, should work with them

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... we have to interact with them

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... we'll have to do some work for that purpose

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ek: not sure about that kind of expected collaboration yet

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q+

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... but given W3C now has the registry track, there should be some mechanism for the expected collaboration

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lb: in many cases, can imagine that W3C registries are different from the existing IANA registry

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... so we should consider what we need

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... how to make it work, etc.

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... if we go through IANA, a chunk of problems registered with them already

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... who to contact IETF/IANA to discuss what we want?

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-> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/registering-mediatypes media type guide

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kaz: let's talk with PLH about how to proceed after clarifying our own requirements a bit clearer

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... (see also the guide above)

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ek: ok

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-> @@@Ege's comment

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topic: Use Case discussion

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q+

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ack k

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ek: have created labels on the wot-thing-description repo and also the t-binding-templates repo

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... using the same color

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/labels wot-thing-description labels

14:45:59 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/3e6a76da9d677366e4f1f2a604d5e29206ee2dd0/planning/ThingDescription/td-next-work-items/new-features.md

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s/https/-> https/

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s/.md/.md TD.Next Feature Aiming Work Items/

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i|f2a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3A%22Has+Use+Case+Potential%22+-label%3A%22Selected+for+Use+Case%22 wot-binding-templates labels|

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s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/labels|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3A%22Has+Use+Case+Potential%22+-label%3A%22Selected+for+Use+Case%22|

14:48:31 [kaz]

ek: also working on badges

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q+

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1175 wot PR 1175 - Badges for work items to match GitHub labels|

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s/labels|/labels/

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kaz: basically agree

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... but this improvement should be applied to the whole group

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... also currently, should name the proposal (PR 1175) "TD/Binding Planning"

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... and after clarifying it's useful, we can propose to the whole group to use this

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ek: agree

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PR 1175 merged

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

14:55:28 [kaz]

ek: any more questions about the new label management method?

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q+

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ack jk

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14:56:35 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/egekorkan-issue-process/tf-issue-process.md

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kaz: the procedure about how to manage the labels is described within the proposed tf-issue-process.md. right?

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ek: yes

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kaz: let's record the fact here in the minutes then :)

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... and also let people know about that

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subtopic: Expectations of stakeholders

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ek: discussion ongoing within the Use Cases TF

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... should think about stakeholders opinions including the TD TF

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present+ Michael_Koster

14:59:06 [kaz]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:59:06 [Zakim]

Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Daniel_Peintner, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster

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q+

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q+

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ek: (describes his opinions as one of the TD TF participants, and also as one of the users of Thing Description)

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kaz: tx

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... given we're already out of time, let's start with this topic next time

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+1 for kaz

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ca: should start with take one issue and think about implementations too

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q+

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ack c

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ack k

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kaz: in that case, should think about real implementations in addition to prototype implementations

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(deeper discussion to be done next time)

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[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

15:06:36 [Ege]

@kaz we meet for td coordination right?

15:06:58 [kaz]

ah, yes