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14:00:58 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
14:01:01 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
14:01:17 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann
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14:02:33 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#January_31_and_February_1%2C_2024
14:02:42 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
14:03:20 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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14:03:55 <kaz> q+
14:04:29 <luca_barbato> present+ Luca_Barbato
14:04:41 <kaz> ack k
14:06:00 <Ege> luca can you take minutes?
14:06:16 <mahda-noura> present+ Mahda_Noura
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14:06:51 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:07:19 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:07:32 <kaz> topic: Agenda
14:07:42 <kaz> ek: (goes through the agenda)
14:08:08 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#January_31_and_February_1%2C_2024 Agenda for today
14:08:13 <kaz> topic: Minutes
14:08:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-25
14:08:35 <kaz> ek: (goes through the minutes)
14:08:59 <kaz> approved
14:09:36 <kaz> topic: Binding Templates
14:09:45 <kaz> ek: (goes through the topics quickly)
14:09:50 <cris_> q+
14:09:59 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1161
14:10:27 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1161 wot PR 1161 - docs: IANA procedures for registries summary
14:10:58 <kaz> ca: there are different ways to manage registries
14:11:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/7204062231c25c2c666539815c3e78546bf38ad2/registry-analysis/Readme.md rendered Readme.md
14:11:58 <kaz> ca: different policies for different registries
14:12:32 <kaz> ... e.g., IANA for protocols
14:13:20 <kaz> ... have been trying to summarize them
14:14:31 <kaz> ek: any review policy there?
14:16:21 <kaz> ca: expert review based on RFC8124, etc.
14:17:40 <kaz> ... some description about the role of the designated expert
14:17:47 <kaz> ek: (skims that section)
14:18:59 <kaz> ... (goes through "URI Schemes" section too)
14:19:38 <kaz> ca: details written on the registry itself
14:19:41 <cris_> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml
14:20:36 <kaz> (guideline for media types registration)
14:21:02 <kaz> ca: basically, first com, first served
14:21:55 <kaz> ek: thanks a lot for looking into them
14:22:09 <kaz> q+
14:22:22 <kaz> ... quite relevant
14:22:23 <cris_> ack c
14:23:28 <kaz> ack k
14:23:32 <kaz> kaz: tx a lot!
14:23:57 <kaz> ... we (as the TD TF) then need to think about which way to go
14:24:13 <Ege> q?
14:24:18 <kaz> ... need to think about the basic mechanism and policy
14:24:26 <dape> q+
14:24:27 <cris_> q+
14:24:30 <kaz> ... then should propose a method to the whole group
14:24:33 <kaz> ek: right
14:25:08 <kaz> dp: looking into IANA, are we still need to get idea from their side?
14:25:13 <kaz> q+
14:25:30 <dape> ack dape
14:25:38 <kaz> ek: the first step is basic survey about existing examples
14:26:09 <kaz> ... we could follow some of the process from the example registries
14:26:20 <kaz> ... but need to think about how to apply them to our need
14:26:21 <luca_barbato> q+
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14:27:04 <kaz> ... we ourselves won't write write RFCs for our own registry
14:27:17 <kaz> ca: similar question
14:27:40 <kaz> ... wanted to know what the group think
14:28:27 <JKRhb> q+
14:28:32 <kaz> ek: record comments on the GH issue
14:28:35 <Ege> ack k
14:28:36 <Ege> ack c
14:28:39 <cris_> ack c
14:29:19 <JKRhb> q-
14:29:42 <kaz> q?
14:30:12 <kaz> kaz: I think we're trying a 3-step approach
14:30:28 <kaz> ... 1. survey the existing examples for registry management
14:30:45 <kaz> ... 2. clarify our requirements for Binding Template registry
14:31:01 <kaz> ... 3. think about which policies/processes to be applied to our own registry
14:31:15 <kaz> ... we've done the first step, and need to work on 2 and 3
14:31:23 <kaz> ek: agree
14:32:15 <kaz> lb: we have several contacts from IANA
14:32:39 <kaz> ... if we invent new Protocol Bindings, should work with them
14:33:05 <kaz> ... we have to interact with them
14:33:20 <kaz> ... we'll have to do some work for that purpose
14:34:02 <kaz> ek: not sure about that kind of expected collaboration yet
14:34:30 <kaz> q+
14:34:33 <kaz> ack l
14:35:01 <kaz> ... but given W3C now has the registry track, there should be some mechanism for the expected collaboration
14:35:28 <kaz> lb: in many cases, can imagine that W3C registries are different from the existing IANA registry
14:35:38 <kaz> ... so we should consider what we need
14:36:13 <kaz> ... how to make it work, etc.
14:36:36 <kaz> ... if we go through IANA, a chunk of problems registered with them already
14:37:50 <kaz> ... who to contact IETF/IANA to discuss what we want?
14:39:29 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/registering-mediatypes media type guide
14:42:15 <kaz> kaz: let's talk with PLH about how to proceed after clarifying our own requirements a bit clearer
14:42:22 <kaz> ... (see also the guide above)
14:42:25 <kaz> ek: ok
14:43:14 <kaz> -> @@@Ege's comment
14:43:26 <kaz> topic: Use Case discussion
14:44:21 <JKRhb> q+
14:44:44 <kaz> ack k
14:45:13 <kaz> ek: have created labels on the wot-thing-description repo and also the t-binding-templates repo
14:45:18 <kaz> ... using the same color
14:45:38 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/labels wot-thing-description labels
14:45:59 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/3e6a76da9d677366e4f1f2a604d5e29206ee2dd0/planning/ThingDescription/td-next-work-items/new-features.md
14:46:39 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:46:59 <kaz> s/.md/.md TD.Next Feature Aiming Work Items/
14:47:57 <kaz> i|f2a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3A%22Has+Use+Case+Potential%22+-label%3A%22Selected+for+Use+Case%22 wot-binding-templates labels|
14:48:14 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/labels|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3A%22Has+Use+Case+Potential%22+-label%3A%22Selected+for+Use+Case%22|
14:48:31 <kaz> ek: also working on badges
14:48:37 <kaz> q+
14:50:03 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1175 wot PR 1175 - Badges for work items to match GitHub labels|
14:50:10 <kaz> s/labels|/labels/
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14:53:08 <kaz> kaz: basically agree
14:53:30 <kaz> ... but this improvement should be applied to the whole group
14:53:51 <kaz> ... also currently, should name the proposal (PR 1175) "TD/Binding Planning"
14:54:09 <kaz> ... and after clarifying it's useful, we can propose to the whole group to use this
14:54:13 <kaz> ek: agree
14:54:22 <kaz> PR 1175 merged
14:54:35 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:54:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:55:28 <kaz> ek: any more questions about the new label management method?
14:55:29 <kaz> q+
14:55:31 <kaz> ack jk
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14:56:35 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/egekorkan-issue-process/tf-issue-process.md
14:56:43 <kaz> kaz: the procedure about how to manage the labels is described within the proposed tf-issue-process.md. right?
14:56:46 <kaz> ek: yes
14:56:57 <kaz> kaz: let's record the fact here in the minutes then :)
14:57:06 <kaz> ... and also let people know about that
14:57:19 <kaz> subtopic: Expectations of stakeholders
14:57:55 <kaz> ek: discussion ongoing within the Use Cases TF
14:58:26 <kaz> ... should think about stakeholders opinions including the TD TF
14:59:00 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
14:59:06 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
14:59:06 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Mahda_Noura, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Daniel_Peintner, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster
14:59:20 <kaz> q+
14:59:42 <cris__> q+
15:00:36 <kaz> ek: (describes his opinions as one of the TD TF participants, and also as one of the users of Thing Description)
15:01:02 <kaz> kaz: tx
15:01:17 <kaz> ... given we're already out of time, let's start with this topic next time
15:01:32 <Mizushima> +1 for kaz
15:01:48 <kaz> ca: should start with take one issue and think about implementations too
15:02:03 <kaz> q+
15:02:06 <kaz> ack c
15:02:59 <kaz> ack k
15:03:48 <kaz> kaz: in that case, should think about real implementations in addition to prototype implementations
15:04:02 <kaz> (deeper discussion to be done next time)
15:04:05 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:04:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:06:36 <Ege> @kaz we meet for td coordination right?
15:06:58 <kaz> ah, yes