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14:47:27 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:47:33 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240201T150000/
14:47:33 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:47:33 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:47:33 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:47:35 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:47:36 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:47:37 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:47:39 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:47:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Prep for WHATWG call, related issues
14:47:44 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction
14:47:47 <agendabot> agenda+ Working With Timezones
14:47:49 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:48:06 <addison> agenda+ [baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII
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14:57:13 <addison> present+ Addison
14:57:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:59:32 <addison> present+ JcK, Atsushi
15:00:06 <addison> present+ Bert
15:00:41 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
15:01:12 <addison> present+ Richard
15:01:22 <atsushi> acribe+
15:01:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:01:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:01:31 <addison> agenda?
15:02:01 <xfq> scribe: atsushi
15:02:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:02:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:08 <xfq> s/acribe+//
15:02:14 <addison> #70
15:02:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/70 -> Action 70 Create pull request for autocap issue (on aphillips)
15:02:17 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:02:34 <addison> #68
15:02:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/68 -> Action 68  follow up with florian about testing with kindle (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25
15:02:39 <atsushi> addison: PR to HTML, not done yet
15:02:44 <addison> #66
15:02:45 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/66 -> Action 66  fix base direction vs. paragraph direction in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-01-18
15:03:15 <atsushi> addison: PR exist, wanted to talk about what direction to go
15:03:15 <addison> #65
15:03:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65 -> Action 65 contact Daniel and check the Ethiopic word boundary situation (on r12a) due 2023-12-26
15:03:39 <addison> close #65
15:03:41 <gb> Closed -> action #65 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65
15:03:47 <atsushi> r12a: did that, continue conversation
15:04:01 <addison> #64
15:04:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64 -> Action 64 Make list of HTML issues for February 22 call with WHATWG (on aphillips, xfq)
15:04:19 <atsushi> addison: continue to work on this
15:04:21 <addison> #53
15:04:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 -> Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01
15:04:33 <addison> #43
15:04:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43  pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
15:04:43 <addison> #33
15:04:43 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:05:19 <addison> #12
15:05:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
15:05:24 <addison> #8
15:05:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
15:05:31 <addison> #7
15:05:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:05:39 <addison> #4
15:05:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
15:05:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:05:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:06:24 <atsushi> addison: 1. message format open house, 20 Feb
15:06:49 <atsushi> ... 2. contacted by Igalia, on proposal for personal for i18n
15:07:38 <addison> s/personal for/personalization for/
15:07:48 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:07:48 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:56 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:08:06 <atsushi> addison: two new items
15:10:04 <r12a> agenda+ WG labels
15:11:13 <atsushi> bert: I will take WebNN
15:11:35 <atsushi> addison: bitstring status list, some more pending issues
15:11:44 <atsushi> ... but almost bottom of the document
15:11:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:11:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:12:19 <addison> zakim,take up agendum 5
15:12:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:12:20 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:12:55 <atsushi> addison: #1823, comment on buggage, marked as tracker, will give a PR
15:12:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1823 -> Issue 1823 [not found]
15:13:23 <atsushi> addison: 1821 is bitstring-status one, and would like to raise
15:13:24 <addison> i18n-activity#1821
15:13:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1821 -> Issue 1821 `credentialSubject.statusMessage` localizable (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation] [t:lang_declaration] [t:loc_localization] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]
15:13:59 <atsushi> +1
15:14:46 <xfq> +1
15:15:51 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820
15:15:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820 -> Issue 1820 `statusPurpose` type `message` unclear (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]
15:15:53 <atsushi> addison: will submit this
15:16:09 <atsushi> addison: 1820 is on the same spec
15:17:07 <xfq> +1
15:17:10 <atsushi> +1
15:17:25 <addison> i18n-activity#1819
15:17:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1819 -> Issue 1819 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]
15:17:44 <atsushi> addison: 1819 is HTML one, agenda+ for WHATWG call items
15:17:53 <addison> html#10097
15:17:54 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/10097 -> Issue 10097 [not found]
15:18:08 <addison> whatwg/html#10097
15:18:08 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097 -> Issue 10097 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by dbaron) [i18n-tracker] [i18n-alreq] [i18n-hlreq]
15:18:58 <atsushi> addison: spec have changed to say with strong character, but it breaks something
15:19:42 <atsushi> ... reverting could give more control to content authors
15:19:59 <atsushi> r12a: in my comment, complecated issue
15:21:01 <atsushi> ... don't know answer, but providing information
15:21:53 <atsushi> addison: my concern is content/context dependent of this issue
15:27:51 <atsushi> addison: need to raise into needs-resolution? or keep?
15:28:04 <atsushi> ... agenda for later this month, and have some time for research
15:28:32 <addison> i18n-activity#1818
15:28:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1818 -> Issue 1818 Internationalization Checklist (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:webnn] [self_review]
15:28:42 <addison> i18n-activity#1816
15:28:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1816 -> Issue 1816 [css-text-4] It should be possible to remove spaces while using text-autospace:no-autospace (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-text] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq]
15:29:01 <addison> i18n-activity#1815
15:29:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 -> Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra]
15:29:02 <atsushi> addison: 1816 is CSS, and seems as regular one
15:29:32 <atsushi> r12a: might want to raise to needs-resolution for 1816
15:31:26 <atsushi> r12a: consider a case that with spaces inserted and without spaces inserted within one document, one could want to remove all spaces while no-autospace specified
15:31:55 <atsushi> addison: seems resonable
15:32:43 <addison> i18n-activity#1815
15:33:07 <addison> i18n-activity#1815
15:33:53 <atsushi> addison w3c/i18n-activity#1815 is between i18n-glossary and infra
15:33:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 -> Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra]
15:34:19 <atsushi> ... one case to be used is some spec does not intend to use infra
15:35:26 <atsushi> xfq: good if we can have harmonization
15:37:31 <addison> w3c/i18n-activity#1368
15:37:31 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1368 -> Issue 1368 Consider fully supporting RTL and Bidi URLs (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:urlpattern] [t:resid_misc]
15:38:26 <atsushi> xfq: this has moved from WICG to WHATWG
15:38:53 <addison> agenda?
15:39:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:39:07 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- WG labels -- taken up [from r12a]
15:39:27 <atsushi> r12a: spoken with PLH on labels in i18n tracking repository
15:39:38 <xfq> Background: https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215
15:39:39 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215 -> CLOSED Issue 215 New standard: URLPattern (by sisidovski)
15:40:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:40:41 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- [baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII -- taken up [from addison]
15:41:01 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99#issuecomment-1917634255
15:41:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99 -> Issue 99 Keys don't permit non-ASCII? (by aphillips) [i18n-needs-resolution]
15:41:13 <atsushi> addison: long ago, we had this one
15:41:42 <atsushi> ... asked them several times to support UTF-8
15:42:07 <atsushi> ... reply comes at github issue
15:42:21 <atsushi> ... they don't want change.
15:42:34 <atsushi> ... move forward without change, or keep pushing?
15:45:25 <atsushi> xfq: would want to add note, even if they really don't want to change
15:45:48 <atsushi> addison: see no technical reason for non-changing
15:47:38 <atsushi> addison: three possibility, accept argument, don't accept and throw to transition, not accept argument but not to stop transition
15:52:21 <atsushi> xfq: how about pushing back without stopping transition?
15:52:47 <atsushi> addison: if we want more discussion, happy to arrange call...
15:53:11 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:53:11 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:53:27 <atsushi> addison: will write to issue
15:53:36 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/84
15:53:39 <atsushi> addison: a PR opened, 84
15:54:28 <atsushi> addison: we refer 'base direction' for most of places. string-meta has explicit term 'paragraph direction'
15:55:05 <atsushi> ... we've created this term, to distinguish string and exteria
15:55:30 <atsushi> ... there are much inconsistent use between two
15:57:44 <atsushi> addison: paragraph direction is the term used in Unicode glossary
15:57:51 <atsushi> ... base direction is not
15:57:51 <addison> https://unicode.org/glossary/#P
15:59:07 <atsushi> r12a: need to say about string as a whole or not
15:59:42 <addison> https://unicode.org/glossary/#P
16:00:00 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/#dfn-base-direction
16:00:39 <atsushi> addison: I'm fine with base direction is used, but needs clarification
16:01:25 <atsushi> addison: will finish this PR, and back to check the final result
16:01:26 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
16:01:26 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Working With Timezones -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:01:57 <atsushi> addison: pushed some changes to there
16:02:58 <atsushi> xfq: will skip next two meetings, back 22
16:03:13 <atsushi> rrsagent, make log public
16:03:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:03:38 <addison> zakim, bye
16:03:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, JcK, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, Richard
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