IRC log of i18n on 2024-02-01
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-irc
- 14:47:27 [addison]
- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
- 14:47:33 [agendabot]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240201T150000/
- 14:47:33 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
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- agenda+ Agenda Review
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- agenda+ Action Items
- 14:47:35 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Info Share
- 14:47:36 [addison]
- Chair: Addison Phillips
- 14:47:37 [agendabot]
- agenda+ RADAR Review
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- agenda+ Pending Issue Review
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- agenda+ Prep for WHATWG call, related issues
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- agenda+ String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction
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- agenda+ Working With Timezones
- 14:47:49 [agendabot]
- agenda+ AOB?
- 14:48:06 [addison]
- agenda+ [baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII
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- present+ Addison
- 14:57:40 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- present+ JcK, Atsushi
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- present+ Bert
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- present+ Fuqiao
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- present+ Richard
- 15:01:22 [atsushi]
- acribe+
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:01:31 [addison]
- agenda?
- 15:02:01 [xfq]
- scribe: atsushi
- 15:02:03 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 15:02:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:02:08 [xfq]
- s/acribe+//
- 15:02:14 [addison]
- #70
- 15:02:14 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/70 -> Action 70 Create pull request for autocap issue (on aphillips)
- 15:02:17 [xfq]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html xfq
- 15:02:34 [addison]
- #68
- 15:02:35 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/68 -> Action 68 follow up with florian about testing with kindle (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25
- 15:02:39 [atsushi]
- addison: PR to HTML, not done yet
- 15:02:44 [addison]
- #66
- 15:02:45 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/66 -> Action 66 fix base direction vs. paragraph direction in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-01-18
- 15:03:15 [atsushi]
- addison: PR exist, wanted to talk about what direction to go
- 15:03:15 [addison]
- #65
- 15:03:15 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65 -> Action 65 contact Daniel and check the Ethiopic word boundary situation (on r12a) due 2023-12-26
- 15:03:39 [addison]
- close #65
- 15:03:41 [gb]
- Closed -> action #65 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65
- 15:03:47 [atsushi]
- r12a: did that, continue conversation
- 15:04:01 [addison]
- #64
- 15:04:01 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64 -> Action 64 Make list of HTML issues for February 22 call with WHATWG (on aphillips, xfq)
- 15:04:19 [atsushi]
- addison: continue to work on this
- 15:04:21 [addison]
- #53
- 15:04:22 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 -> Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01
- 15:04:33 [addison]
- #43
- 15:04:34 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
- 15:04:43 [addison]
- #33
- 15:04:43 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
- 15:05:19 [addison]
- #12
- 15:05:20 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
- 15:05:24 [addison]
- #8
- 15:05:24 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
- 15:05:31 [addison]
- #7
- 15:05:32 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
- 15:05:39 [addison]
- #4
- 15:05:39 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
- 15:05:59 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 15:05:59 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:06:24 [atsushi]
- addison: 1. message format open house, 20 Feb
- 15:06:49 [atsushi]
- ... 2. contacted by Igalia, on proposal for personal for i18n
- 15:07:38 [addison]
- s/personal for/personalization for/
- 15:07:48 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 15:07:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:07:56 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
- 15:08:06 [atsushi]
- addison: two new items
- 15:10:04 [r12a]
- agenda+ WG labels
- 15:11:13 [atsushi]
- bert: I will take WebNN
- 15:11:35 [atsushi]
- addison: bitstring status list, some more pending issues
- 15:11:44 [atsushi]
- ... but almost bottom of the document
- 15:11:55 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 15:11:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:12:19 [addison]
- zakim,take up agendum 5
- 15:12:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:12:20 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
- 15:12:55 [atsushi]
- addison: #1823, comment on buggage, marked as tracker, will give a PR
- 15:12:55 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1823 -> Issue 1823 [not found]
- 15:13:23 [atsushi]
- addison: 1821 is bitstring-status one, and would like to raise
- 15:13:24 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1821
- 15:13:25 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1821 -> Issue 1821 `credentialSubject.statusMessage` localizable (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation] [t:lang_declaration] [t:loc_localization] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]
- 15:13:59 [atsushi]
- +1
- 15:14:46 [xfq]
- +1
- 15:15:51 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820
- 15:15:51 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820 -> Issue 1820 `statusPurpose` type `message` unclear (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]
- 15:15:53 [atsushi]
- addison: will submit this
- 15:16:09 [atsushi]
- addison: 1820 is on the same spec
- 15:17:07 [xfq]
- +1
- 15:17:10 [atsushi]
- +1
- 15:17:25 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1819
- 15:17:25 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1819 -> Issue 1819 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]
- 15:17:44 [atsushi]
- addison: 1819 is HTML one, agenda+ for WHATWG call items
- 15:17:53 [addison]
- html#10097
- 15:17:54 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/10097 -> Issue 10097 [not found]
- 15:18:08 [addison]
- whatwg/html#10097
- 15:18:08 [gb]
- https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097 -> Issue 10097 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by dbaron) [i18n-tracker] [i18n-alreq] [i18n-hlreq]
- 15:18:58 [atsushi]
- addison: spec have changed to say with strong character, but it breaks something
- 15:19:42 [atsushi]
- ... reverting could give more control to content authors
- 15:19:59 [atsushi]
- r12a: in my comment, complecated issue
- 15:21:01 [atsushi]
- ... don't know answer, but providing information
- 15:21:53 [atsushi]
- addison: my concern is content/context dependent of this issue
- 15:27:51 [atsushi]
- addison: need to raise into needs-resolution? or keep?
- 15:28:04 [atsushi]
- ... agenda for later this month, and have some time for research
- 15:28:32 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1818
- 15:28:33 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1818 -> Issue 1818 Internationalization Checklist (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:webnn] [self_review]
- 15:28:42 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1816
- 15:28:42 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1816 -> Issue 1816 [css-text-4] It should be possible to remove spaces while using text-autospace:no-autospace (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-text] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq]
- 15:29:01 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1815
- 15:29:01 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 -> Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra]
- 15:29:02 [atsushi]
- addison: 1816 is CSS, and seems as regular one
- 15:29:32 [atsushi]
- r12a: might want to raise to needs-resolution for 1816
- 15:31:26 [atsushi]
- r12a: consider a case that with spaces inserted and without spaces inserted within one document, one could want to remove all spaces while no-autospace specified
- 15:31:55 [atsushi]
- addison: seems resonable
- 15:32:43 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1815
- 15:33:07 [addison]
- i18n-activity#1815
- 15:33:53 [atsushi]
- addison w3c/i18n-activity#1815 is between i18n-glossary and infra
- 15:33:53 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 -> Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra]
- 15:34:19 [atsushi]
- ... one case to be used is some spec does not intend to use infra
- 15:35:26 [atsushi]
- xfq: good if we can have harmonization
- 15:37:31 [addison]
- w3c/i18n-activity#1368
- 15:37:31 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1368 -> Issue 1368 Consider fully supporting RTL and Bidi URLs (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:urlpattern] [t:resid_misc]
- 15:38:26 [atsushi]
- xfq: this has moved from WICG to WHATWG
- 15:38:53 [addison]
- agenda?
- 15:39:07 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 11
- 15:39:07 [Zakim]
- agendum 11 -- WG labels -- taken up [from r12a]
- 15:39:27 [atsushi]
- r12a: spoken with PLH on labels in i18n tracking repository
- 15:39:38 [xfq]
- Background: https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215
- 15:39:39 [gb]
- https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215 -> CLOSED Issue 215 New standard: URLPattern (by sisidovski)
- 15:40:41 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 10
- 15:40:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 10 -- [baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII -- taken up [from addison]
- 15:41:01 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99#issuecomment-1917634255
- 15:41:02 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99 -> Issue 99 Keys don't permit non-ASCII? (by aphillips) [i18n-needs-resolution]
- 15:41:13 [atsushi]
- addison: long ago, we had this one
- 15:41:42 [atsushi]
- ... asked them several times to support UTF-8
- 15:42:07 [atsushi]
- ... reply comes at github issue
- 15:42:21 [atsushi]
- ... they don't want change.
- 15:42:34 [atsushi]
- ... move forward without change, or keep pushing?
- 15:45:25 [atsushi]
- xfq: would want to add note, even if they really don't want to change
- 15:45:48 [atsushi]
- addison: see no technical reason for non-changing
- 15:47:38 [atsushi]
- addison: three possibility, accept argument, don't accept and throw to transition, not accept argument but not to stop transition
- 15:52:21 [atsushi]
- xfq: how about pushing back without stopping transition?
- 15:52:47 [atsushi]
- addison: if we want more discussion, happy to arrange call...
- 15:53:11 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 7
- 15:53:11 [Zakim]
- agendum 7 -- String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:53:27 [atsushi]
- addison: will write to issue
- 15:53:36 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/84
- 15:53:39 [atsushi]
- addison: a PR opened, 84
- 15:54:28 [atsushi]
- addison: we refer 'base direction' for most of places. string-meta has explicit term 'paragraph direction'
- 15:55:05 [atsushi]
- ... we've created this term, to distinguish string and exteria
- 15:55:30 [atsushi]
- ... there are much inconsistent use between two
- 15:57:44 [atsushi]
- addison: paragraph direction is the term used in Unicode glossary
- 15:57:51 [atsushi]
- ... base direction is not
- 15:57:51 [addison]
- https://unicode.org/glossary/#P
- 15:59:07 [atsushi]
- r12a: need to say about string as a whole or not
- 15:59:42 [addison]
- https://unicode.org/glossary/#P
- 16:00:00 [addison]
- https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/#dfn-base-direction
- 16:00:39 [atsushi]
- addison: I'm fine with base direction is used, but needs clarification
- 16:01:25 [atsushi]
- addison: will finish this PR, and back to check the final result
- 16:01:26 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 8
- 16:01:26 [Zakim]
- agendum 8 -- Working With Timezones -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:01:57 [atsushi]
- addison: pushed some changes to there
- 16:02:58 [atsushi]
- xfq: will skip next two meetings, back 22
- 16:03:13 [atsushi]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-minutes.html addison
- 16:03:38 [addison]
- zakim, bye
- 16:03:38 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, JcK, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, Richard
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