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17:44:28 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA WG
17:44:35 <spectranaut_> chair: ValerieYoung
17:44:45 <spectranaut_> agendabot, find agenda
17:44:45 <agendabot> spectranaut_, OK. This may take a minute...
17:44:46 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/ecffaf8b-8aa7-4acc-b238-6088a86cf12f/20240125T130000/
17:44:46 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:44:46 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New Issue Triage http://tinyurl.com/52fj5axn
17:44:46 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New PR Triage http://tinyurl.com/2jezfujp
17:44:48 <agendabot> agenda+ -> WPT Open PRs https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aweb-platform-tests%2Fwpt+is%3Aopen+label%3Awai-aria%2Caccname&type=pullrequests
17:44:52 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates
17:44:54 <agendabot> agenda+ No other topics currently in the list to discuss, please send any agenda topics to -> group-aria-chairs@w3.org mailto:group-aria-chairs@w3.org or we will end after triage.
17:46:36 <spectranaut_> drop agendum 5
17:46:39 <spectranaut_> agenda?
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18:03:30 <Adam_Page> scribe: Adam_Page
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18:03:59 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage http://tinyurl.com/52fj5axn -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:10:07 <Adam_Page> present+ Theo Hale
18:10:17 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_ accname #227
18:11:06 <Adam_Page> scotto: there’s an issue for this already in html-aam
18:11:23 <Adam_Page> ... not as easy as you’d think to do this, and possibly not worth doing anymore
18:11:25 <Rahim> q+
18:11:54 <pkra> this one, scotto ? https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/370
18:13:13 <Adam_Page> scotto: the ARIA spec does say if something has `display: none`, it’s pruned from the a11y tree
18:13:20 <scotto> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/370
18:13:47 <Adam_Page> pkra: can we just close this accname issue as a duplicate of html-aam #370?
18:13:58 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: yes, we’ll do that
18:14:07 <spectranaut_> ack Rahim
18:14:15 <Adam_Page> Rahim: I wrote some wpt tests for this
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18:18:13 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: core-aam #219
18:18:28 <Adam_Page> ... wanted to test all user agent MUST statements in 1.3
18:18:36 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: accname #226
18:19:21 <Adam_Page> BryanGaraventa: essentially a mapping bug, not a spec issue
18:19:55 <Adam_Page> ... seems to be failing consistently across browsers
18:20:53 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: do you think there’s anything more to do here?
18:21:06 <Adam_Page> BryanGaraventa: could be filed against browsers
18:21:17 <scotto> q+
18:21:29 <spectranaut_> ack scotto
18:21:47 <Adam_Page> scotto: this is not the first time an issue like this has come up in accname
18:21:59 <Adam_Page> ... we’ve also had `figure` and `article` come up
18:23:14 <Adam_Page> ... there is the concept of contextual role that could be applicable & helpful here
18:23:50 <Adam_Page> ... this commonly comes up with links that wrap rich content
18:24:29 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: could we find one of those existing issues in GitHub?
18:25:05 <Adam_Page> scotto: there’s an argument that the accname algorithm should be updated so that it doesn’t just rigidly stop at content that could be rolled up
18:25:39 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: I’ve found 2 issues
18:25:51 <scotto> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/138
18:25:56 <scotto> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/153
18:25:57 <spectranaut_> r/spectranaut_: I/scotto: I/
18:26:00 <Adam_Page> s/spectranaut_/scotto/
18:27:43 <pkra> q?
18:27:45 <pkra> q+
18:28:19 <pkra> to ask about https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1915
18:29:25 <Adam_Page> BryanGaraventa: I’ve made a relatively simple proposal for this in the past
18:29:48 <spectranaut_> ack pkra
18:29:50 <Adam_Page> pkra: would scotto’s proposal to add header and footer roles from last year be a short-term workaround?
18:30:27 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_ I’ve agenda’d one of the linked issues so we can discuss more later
18:30:35 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: accname #225
18:31:36 <Adam_Page> BryanGaraventa: let’s punt this until jcraig is present to discuss
18:31:43 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:31:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage http://tinyurl.com/2jezfujp -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:31:58 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: accname #228
18:32:01 <Adam_Page> ... editorial
18:33:01 <Adam_Page> dmontalvo: defines “assistive technology” in the accname spec
18:33:16 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: I’ll review this
18:33:32 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:33:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> WPT Open PRs https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aweb-platform-tests%2Fwpt+is%3Aopen+label%3Awai-aria%2Caccname&type=pullrequests -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:34:18 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: anyone want to review some accname tests?
18:34:59 <scotto> https://wpt.fyi/results/accname/name/comp_hidden_not_referenced.html?label=experimental&label=master&aligned
18:35:55 <Adam_Page> Adam_Page: I’ll link my previous related WPT issues to these ones
18:36:15 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: wpt #43740
18:36:20 <Adam_Page> ... do you need any more reviewers?
18:36:25 <Adam_Page> Rahim: there’s already a lot of attention on this one
18:36:51 <Adam_Page> ... also added some tests for keyboard focusability
18:37:18 <Adam_Page> ... I’ll defer to jcraig for when this is ready to merge
18:37:34 <Adam_Page> ... I put it in the `css` directory because that’s where all the other display-related tests live
18:38:08 <Adam_Page> ... I also raised an issue in the interop repo that is an exploration of adding keyboard functionality testing
18:38:23 <Adam_Page> ... focusability, traps, enter/space operability, etc.
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18:39:33 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
18:39:34 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:39:46 <Rahim> WPT investigation of keyboard operability testing: https://github.com/web-platform-tests/interop-accessibility/issues/101
18:40:21 <Adam_Page> ... next week’s agenda is light so we can talk about the name from content issue during the weekly meeting
18:42:18 <spectranaut_> s/r\/spectranaut_: I\/scotto: I//
18:42:35 <Adam_Page> zakim, end meeting
18:42:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pkra, Adam_Page, StefanS, keithamus, Rahim, Francis_Storr, scotto, Theo, Hale
18:42:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
18:42:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html Zakim
18:42:46 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:42:47 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
18:45:34 <Adam_Page> s/spectranaut_: I've found 2 issues/scotto_: I've found 2 issues/
18:45:43 <Adam_Page> rrsagent, make minutes
18:45:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html Adam_Page
18:46:18 <Adam_Page> s/spectranaut_: I’ve found 2 issues/scotto: I’ve found 2 issues/
18:46:24 <Adam_Page> rrsagent, make minutes
18:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html Adam_Page
18:48:35 <spectranaut_> s/r\/scotto: l\/scotto: l//
18:48:49 <spectranaut_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:48:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html spectranaut_
18:49:33 <dmontalvo> s|r/scotto: I/scotto: I/||
18:49:40 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html dmontalvo
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18:50:55 <spectranaut_> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:51:10 <Adam_Page> !!!
18:53:44 <Adam_Page> s/!!!//
18:56:24 <spectranaut_> zakim, end meeting
18:56:53 <Adam_Page> s/... next week’s/spectranaut_: next week’s/
18:57:01 <Adam_Page> rrsagent, make minutes
18:57:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-aria-minutes.html Adam_Page
18:58:27 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, bye
18:58:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items