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14:59:37 <Steven> Meeting: XForms WG Teleconference
14:59:58 <Steven> Date: M19 January 2024
15:00:06 <Steven> s/M19/19
15:00:15 <Steven> Chair: Steven
15:01:09 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/12/15-forms-minutes
15:01:46 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0010
15:01:54 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/19-forms-minutes.html Steven
15:02:24 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
15:03:08 <Steven> Topic: Tracker
15:03:08 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0007
15:03:20 <Steven> Steven: They've stopped the tracker
15:03:39 <Steven> ... I will research how to replace
15:03:48 <Steven> Topic: FDA
15:03:48 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0003
15:04:09 <Steven> Steven: Nice to be able to point to a large organisation using XForms
15:04:49 <Steven> Alain: I sent an emal 1st May about FDA as well
15:05:00 <Steven> Topic: Meeting frequency
15:05:00 <Steven> [No link]
15:05:56 <Steven> Steven: We could go two weekly since calls are so short
15:06:16 <Steven> Alain: Weekly short meetings are fine
15:06:20 <Steven> Steven: OK keep as is
15:06:30 <Steven> Topic: control/shared/signal revised draft spec text - comments?
15:06:30 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Oct/0002
15:07:00 <Steven> Erik: Continues
15:07:09 <Steven> Steven: Would be nice to wrap soon
15:07:21 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2346: Think about the properties of events crossing xforms
15:07:21 <Steven> boundaries [Erik]
15:07:21 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Sep/0008
15:07:27 <Steven> Erik: Continues
15:07:41 <Steven> Topic: Sorting
15:07:41 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0008
15:08:48 <Steven> What do you feel about the approach?
15:09:06 <Steven> Erik: You could imagine sorted data vs sorted display
15:09:19 <Steven> ... two different things
15:09:35 <Steven> Alain: I think both are important
15:10:21 <Steven> Steven: I see
15:10:32 <Steven> Alain: Usually the instance doesn't need to be sorted.
15:10:55 <Steven> Steven: I'll think more about the two cases, and come back to it.
15:11:20 <Steven> Alain: Look at XQuery, descending, ascending, etc.
15:11:41 <Steven> Erik: Look at the XPath3 sorting function
15:11:56 <Steven> Erik: We have a usecase for sorting in the structure
15:12:09 <Steven> ... a list of errors, inserted in the proper location
15:13:00 <Steven> ... ... we implement it natively, but not with a bind
15:13:27 <Steven> ... it would be a benefit to have something standard
15:13:37 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to refine thinking on sort
15:14:02 <Steven> Topic: [Back] event
15:14:02 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jan/0008
15:15:08 <Steven> Steven: Do either of you respond to back?
15:15:23 <Steven> Erik: See my mail
15:15:59 <Steven> .... the browsers provide a limited unload, doesn't do much
15:16:35 <Steven> ... what we do, the data may not have been saved,
15:17:08 <Steven> ... if the data is saved we let the event happen
15:17:27 <Steven> ... if not, we we do a message
15:17:48 <Steven> ... the XForm doesn't handle it, but the system
15:18:17 <Steven> ... we know if data has been changed
15:19:37 <Steven> Steven: Needs research. We can't be the only ones who have this problem
15:22:10 <Steven> Topic: Alain to summarise bi-directional text issues
15:22:10 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2023/12/08-forms-minutes.html#a02
15:22:42 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to read bidi document
15:22:59 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:23:31 <Steven> Steven: XML Prague call is open; I've already submitted an XForms tutorial
15:23:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:24:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/19-forms-minutes.html Steven
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