IRC log of wot-td on 2024-01-18

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann
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present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
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regrets+ Koster
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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chair: Ege
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribe: dape
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TOPIC: Minutes of last week
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-> Thursday -> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-wot-td-minutes.html
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EK: Any concern?
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rrsagent, make log public
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... -> none -> minutes are approved
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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TOPIC: Binding Templates
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SUBTOPIC: PR 346
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/346
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EK: Decided to merge asynchronously
14:08:56 [kaz]
s/346/346 PR 346 - [Modbus] type fixes/
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14:09:09 [dape]
SUBTOPIC: Registry Analysis
14:09:20 [dape]
CA: PR 1161 not done yet
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1161
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CA: Proceeded further with different mechanism
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... added description for "first come first serve"
14:10:13 [kaz]
s/1161/1161 wot PR 1161 - docs: IANA procedures for registries summary/
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14:10:25 [dape]
... added also "Expert Review"
14:10:37 [dape]
... do next: report rules for URI Schemes
14:10:55 [dape]
EK: Extend the generic policy?
14:11:08 [dape]
CA: Yes, but not much..
14:11:38 [dape]
... e.g., lower-case / upper case sensitiveness
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... usually additional constraints
14:12:41 [kaz]
present+ Mahda_Noura
14:13:09 [dape]
EK: Expert Review is going to be important for us
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CA: There is a dedicated section how to choose the "expert"
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... a lot of information to digest.. takes a bit of time
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EK: Let's look at it next time again
14:15:29 [dape]
... another aspect is whether we should start writing our requirements
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... I think we can start
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... and extend later what we learn
14:15:43 [cris_]
q+
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CA: I think it is good to start
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... like a TOC
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... I have some ideas
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q+
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ack c
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ack cris_
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JR: Should we define use-cases as well where we can get requirements
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EK: Need a solution for a use-case/requirement
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... maybe that is a good idea
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ack jk
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EK: We can add story-line about registry (in registry-analysis/Readme.md)
14:20:50 [mahda-noura]
present+ Mahda_Noura
14:21:46 [kaz]
q+
14:21:52 [dape]
... a la "WoT to support multiple protocols" ...made interoperable with a descriptive approach
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Kaz: Updated text might be also useful
14:22:27 [dape]
... however, can use text from charter as well
14:22:54 [dape]
EK: Good point. I might have written some text for that
14:23:53 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter
14:25:34 [dape]
EK: Maybe parts from Section 2 in charter document
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... will do some homework later
14:26:10 [Ege]
ack k
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... started PR 1169
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... please comment
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SUBTOPIC: Reviews of the individual bindings
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EK: related to DataMapping from yesterdays TD call
14:28:41 [kaz]
i|please|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1169 wot PR 1169 - Use Case and Story for Registries|
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14:29:00 [dape]
EK: Interesting part: Missing protocol mechanisms
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q+
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... e.g., we cannot describe a given mechanism in a TD
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... people can also ask for help how to solve that in TD
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CA: e.g., MQTT pattern
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... pretending we can describe it in a TD but we do not describe it
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EK: Is lack of documentation, not a new use case
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CA: Like the idea to ask experts for ideas
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EK: for example HiveMQ feedback
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... with CoAP Klaus Hartke and Jan
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JR: I would know some more people
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EK: w.r.t. HTTP, people of WG are quite knowledgeable
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... WebSocket needs people
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... SSE needs people
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... w.r.t. Modbus we got a lot of input already
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... BACnet, quite recent, needs more time
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TOPIC: Management
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SUBTOPIC: Project Management Proposal:
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1954
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EK: Last week we extended it in coordination call
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s/1954/1954 wot-thing-description PR 1954 - Extending the project management proposal/
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... issue coming from use case pipeline
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i|1954|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md|
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14:38:45 [dape]
... TF working on planning the work
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... separation of concerns
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q+
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EK: Any points or objections to merge this PR?
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Kaz: Any update like this is fine.
14:40:07 [dape]
... we should think about which part is managed by use-case and Mizushima-San
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EK: Good point. Should be in line
14:40:48 [dape]
... we might want to align the "naming"
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... "gap analysis" is missing in my document
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... I will link Process.md from wot-usecases
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EK: Can I merge 1954 ?
14:42:20 [cris_]
+1
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... no objections -> merging
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TOPIC: TD
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SUBTOPIC: Data Mapping
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1165
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EK: Luca extended the PR
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... I added related issues and added them to the PR
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... others can do the same.. also from other task forces
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SUBTOPIC: Formatting before starting work
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1926
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EK: Consistent way of working
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... looked how prettier and editorconfig work together
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... unfortunately we need to use both
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... should keep them consistent
14:46:44 [kaz]
s/1165/1165 wot PR 1165 - Initial expansion of the DataMapping work item/
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EK: I don't think we should format output files which are generated
14:47:29 [kaz]
s/1926/1926 wot-thing-description Issue 1926 - Aligning formatting across files/
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q+
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EK: picked option "space" and "2 spaces" for indentation
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EK: In the end I can format all files in one go
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... leads to a HUGE diff
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... e.g. removing trailing whitespaces
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q+
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... any concern or preferences on settings used
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CA: Style is okay.. no strong preference
14:52:03 [dape]
... don't get some changes.. like line breaks
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DP: I think there is a 80 character limit
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EK: "printWidth" might be the option
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... default like 80
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CA: Should go with 120
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EK: BTW I excluded "publication" folder
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14:55:46 [kaz]
q+
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ack c
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EK: Any other business?
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ack c
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[adjourned]
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ack k
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