IRC log of wot-td on 2024-01-18
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- meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann
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- present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
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- regrets+ Koster
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- present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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- chair: Ege
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- 14:05:50 [kaz]
- present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 14:06:02 [dape]
- scribe: dape
- 14:06:22 [JKRhb]
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- TOPIC: Minutes of last week
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- -> Thursday -> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-wot-td-minutes.html
- 14:07:23 [dape]
- EK: Any concern?
- 14:07:42 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 14:07:49 [dape]
- ... -> none -> minutes are approved
- 14:07:51 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:07:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 14:08:02 [dape]
- TOPIC: Binding Templates
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- SUBTOPIC: PR 346
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/346
- 14:08:50 [dape]
- EK: Decided to merge asynchronously
- 14:08:56 [kaz]
- s/346/346 PR 346 - [Modbus] type fixes/
- 14:08:59 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:09:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 14:09:09 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Registry Analysis
- 14:09:20 [dape]
- CA: PR 1161 not done yet
- 14:09:28 [dape]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1161
- 14:09:44 [dape]
- CA: Proceeded further with different mechanism
- 14:10:09 [dape]
- ... added description for "first come first serve"
- 14:10:13 [kaz]
- s/1161/1161 wot PR 1161 - docs: IANA procedures for registries summary/
- 14:10:15 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 14:10:25 [dape]
- ... added also "Expert Review"
- 14:10:37 [dape]
- ... do next: report rules for URI Schemes
- 14:10:55 [dape]
- EK: Extend the generic policy?
- 14:11:08 [dape]
- CA: Yes, but not much..
- 14:11:38 [dape]
- ... e.g., lower-case / upper case sensitiveness
- 14:11:46 [dape]
- ... usually additional constraints
- 14:12:41 [kaz]
- present+ Mahda_Noura
- 14:13:09 [dape]
- EK: Expert Review is going to be important for us
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- CA: There is a dedicated section how to choose the "expert"
- 14:14:47 [dape]
- ... a lot of information to digest.. takes a bit of time
- 14:15:08 [dape]
- EK: Let's look at it next time again
- 14:15:29 [dape]
- ... another aspect is whether we should start writing our requirements
- 14:15:34 [dape]
- ... I think we can start
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- ... and extend later what we learn
- 14:15:43 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:15:48 [dape]
- CA: I think it is good to start
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- ... like a TOC
- 14:16:01 [dape]
- ... I have some ideas
- 14:16:04 [JKRhb]
- q+
- 14:16:10 [cris_]
- ack c
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- ack cris_
- 14:16:57 [dape]
- JR: Should we define use-cases as well where we can get requirements
- 14:17:26 [dape]
- EK: Need a solution for a use-case/requirement
- 14:17:35 [dape]
- ... maybe that is a good idea
- 14:19:01 [kaz]
- ack jk
- 14:19:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- 14:19:48 [mahda-noura]
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- 14:20:46 [dape]
- EK: We can add story-line about registry (in registry-analysis/Readme.md)
- 14:20:50 [mahda-noura]
- present+ Mahda_Noura
- 14:21:46 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:21:52 [dape]
- ... a la "WoT to support multiple protocols" ...made interoperable with a descriptive approach
- 14:22:11 [dape]
- Kaz: Updated text might be also useful
- 14:22:27 [dape]
- ... however, can use text from charter as well
- 14:22:54 [dape]
- EK: Good point. I might have written some text for that
- 14:23:53 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter
- 14:25:34 [dape]
- EK: Maybe parts from Section 2 in charter document
- 14:25:49 [dape]
- ... will do some homework later
- 14:26:10 [Ege]
- ack k
- 14:27:14 [dape]
- ... started PR 1169
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- ... please comment
- 14:28:04 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Reviews of the individual bindings
- 14:28:31 [dape]
- EK: related to DataMapping from yesterdays TD call
- 14:28:41 [kaz]
- i|please|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1169 wot PR 1169 - Use Case and Story for Registries|
- 14:28:44 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- 14:29:00 [dape]
- EK: Interesting part: Missing protocol mechanisms
- 14:29:20 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:29:23 [dape]
- ... e.g., we cannot describe a given mechanism in a TD
- 14:29:50 [dape]
- ... people can also ask for help how to solve that in TD
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- CA: e.g., MQTT pattern
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- ... pretending we can describe it in a TD but we do not describe it
- 14:30:57 [dape]
- EK: Is lack of documentation, not a new use case
- 14:31:15 [dape]
- CA: Like the idea to ask experts for ideas
- 14:32:02 [dape]
- EK: for example HiveMQ feedback
- 14:32:19 [dape]
- ... with CoAP Klaus Hartke and Jan
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- JR: I would know some more people
- 14:34:44 [dape]
- EK: w.r.t. HTTP, people of WG are quite knowledgeable
- 14:34:54 [dape]
- ... WebSocket needs people
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- ... SSE needs people
- 14:35:18 [dape]
- ... w.r.t. Modbus we got a lot of input already
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- ... BACnet, quite recent, needs more time
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- TOPIC: Management
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- SUBTOPIC: Project Management Proposal:
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1954
- 14:37:53 [dape]
- EK: Last week we extended it in coordination call
- 14:38:09 [kaz]
- s/1954/1954 wot-thing-description PR 1954 - Extending the project management proposal/
- 14:38:19 [dape]
- ... issue coming from use case pipeline
- 14:38:34 [kaz]
- i|1954|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md|
- 14:38:36 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
- 14:38:45 [dape]
- ... TF working on planning the work
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- ... separation of concerns
- 14:39:09 [kaz]
- q+
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- EK: Any points or objections to merge this PR?
- 14:39:16 [kaz]
- ack c
- 14:39:17 [cris_]
- ack c
- 14:39:33 [dape]
- Kaz: Any update like this is fine.
- 14:40:07 [dape]
- ... we should think about which part is managed by use-case and Mizushima-San
- 14:40:20 [dape]
- EK: Good point. Should be in line
- 14:40:48 [dape]
- ... we might want to align the "naming"
- 14:41:10 [dape]
- ... "gap analysis" is missing in my document
- 14:41:48 [dape]
- ... I will link Process.md from wot-usecases
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- EK: Can I merge 1954 ?
- 14:42:20 [cris_]
- +1
- 14:42:31 [dape]
- ... no objections -> merging
- 14:42:43 [dape]
- TOPIC: TD
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- SUBTOPIC: Data Mapping
- 14:43:02 [dape]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1165
- 14:43:14 [dape]
- EK: Luca extended the PR
- 14:44:14 [dape]
- ... I added related issues and added them to the PR
- 14:44:31 [dape]
- ... others can do the same.. also from other task forces
- 14:45:02 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Formatting before starting work
- 14:45:09 [dape]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1926
- 14:45:19 [dape]
- EK: Consistent way of working
- 14:45:55 [dape]
- ... looked how prettier and editorconfig work together
- 14:46:09 [dape]
- ... unfortunately we need to use both
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- ... should keep them consistent
- 14:46:44 [kaz]
- s/1165/1165 wot PR 1165 - Initial expansion of the DataMapping work item/
- 14:47:24 [dape]
- EK: I don't think we should format output files which are generated
- 14:47:29 [kaz]
- s/1926/1926 wot-thing-description Issue 1926 - Aligning formatting across files/
- 14:47:30 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:48:43 [dape]
- EK: picked option "space" and "2 spaces" for indentation
- 14:49:08 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:49:22 [dape]
- EK: In the end I can format all files in one go
- 14:49:34 [dape]
- ... leads to a HUGE diff
- 14:50:23 [dape]
- ... e.g. removing trailing whitespaces
- 14:50:31 [cris_]
- q+
- 14:50:45 [dape]
- ... any concern or preferences on settings used
- 14:51:05 [dape]
- CA: Style is okay.. no strong preference
- 14:52:03 [dape]
- ... don't get some changes.. like line breaks
- 14:52:15 [dape]
- DP: I think there is a 80 character limit
- 14:52:51 [dape]
- EK: "printWidth" might be the option
- 14:53:04 [dape]
- ... default like 80
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- CA: Should go with 120
- 14:54:41 [dape]
- EK: BTW I excluded "publication" folder
- 14:55:13 [dape]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- 14:55:46 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:55:51 [Ege]
- ack c
- 14:55:52 [dape]
- EK: Any other business?
- 14:55:52 [cris_]
- ack c
- 14:56:33 [dape]
- [adjourned]
- 14:56:37 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:56:43 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:56:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz