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13:59:26 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
14:00:42 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann
14:01:26 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
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14:02:28 <kaz> regrets+ Koster
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14:04:10 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
14:04:18 <kaz> chair: Ege
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14:05:50 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:06:02 <dape> scribe: dape
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14:06:40 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes of last week
14:06:52 <dape> -> Thursday -> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/11-wot-td-minutes.html
14:07:23 <dape> EK: Any concern?
14:07:42 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:07:49 <dape> ... -> none -> minutes are approved
14:07:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:08:02 <dape> TOPIC: Binding Templates
14:08:22 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 346
14:08:37 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/346
14:08:50 <dape> EK: Decided to merge asynchronously
14:08:56 <kaz> s/346/346 PR 346 - [Modbus] type fixes/
14:08:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:09:09 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Registry Analysis
14:09:20 <dape> CA: PR 1161 not done yet
14:09:28 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1161
14:09:44 <dape> CA: Proceeded further with different mechanism
14:10:09 <dape> ... added description for "first come first serve"
14:10:13 <kaz> s/1161/1161 wot PR 1161 - docs: IANA procedures for registries summary/
14:10:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:10:25 <dape> ... added also "Expert Review"
14:10:37 <dape> ... do next: report rules for URI Schemes
14:10:55 <dape> EK: Extend the generic policy?
14:11:08 <dape> CA: Yes, but not much..
14:11:38 <dape> ... e.g., lower-case / upper case sensitiveness
14:11:46 <dape> ... usually additional constraints
14:12:41 <kaz> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:13:09 <dape> EK: Expert Review is going to be important for us
14:13:31 <dape> CA: There is a dedicated section how to choose the "expert"
14:14:47 <dape> ... a lot of information to digest.. takes a bit of time
14:15:08 <dape> EK: Let's look at it next time again
14:15:29 <dape> ... another aspect is whether we should start writing our requirements
14:15:34 <dape> ... I think we can start
14:15:41 <dape> ... and extend later what we learn
14:15:43 <cris_> q+
14:15:48 <dape> CA: I think it is good to start
14:15:54 <dape> ... like a TOC
14:16:01 <dape> ... I have some ideas
14:16:04 <JKRhb> q+
14:16:10 <cris_> ack c
14:16:10 <dape> ack cris_
14:16:57 <dape> JR: Should we define use-cases as well where we can get requirements
14:17:26 <dape> EK: Need a solution for a use-case/requirement
14:17:35 <dape> ... maybe that is a good idea
14:19:01 <kaz> ack jk
14:19:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:20:46 <dape> EK: We can add story-line about registry (in  registry-analysis/Readme.md)
14:20:50 <mahda-noura> present+ Mahda_Noura
14:21:46 <kaz> q+
14:21:52 <dape> ... a la "WoT to support multiple protocols" ...made interoperable with a descriptive approach
14:22:11 <dape> Kaz: Updated text might be also useful
14:22:27 <dape> ... however, can use text from charter as well
14:22:54 <dape> EK: Good point. I might have written some text for that
14:23:53 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter
14:25:34 <dape> EK: Maybe parts from Section 2 in charter document
14:25:49 <dape> ... will do some homework later
14:26:10 <Ege> ack k
14:27:14 <dape> ... started PR 1169
14:27:34 <dape> ... please comment
14:28:04 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Reviews of the individual bindings
14:28:31 <dape> EK: related to DataMapping from yesterdays TD call
14:28:41 <kaz> i|please|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1169 wot PR 1169 - Use Case and Story for Registries|
14:28:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:29:00 <dape> EK: Interesting part: Missing protocol mechanisms
14:29:20 <cris_> q+
14:29:23 <dape> ... e.g., we cannot describe a given mechanism in a TD
14:29:50 <dape> ... people can also ask for help how to solve that in TD
14:30:14 <dape> CA: e.g., MQTT pattern
14:30:45 <dape> ... pretending we can describe it in a TD but we do not describe it
14:30:57 <dape> EK: Is lack of documentation, not a new use case
14:31:15 <dape> CA: Like the idea to ask experts for ideas
14:32:02 <dape> EK: for example HiveMQ feedback
14:32:19 <dape> ... with CoAP Klaus Hartke and Jan
14:32:42 <dape> JR: I would know some more people
14:34:44 <dape> EK: w.r.t. HTTP, people of WG are quite knowledgeable
14:34:54 <dape> ... WebSocket needs people
14:34:58 <dape> ... SSE needs people
14:35:18 <dape> ... w.r.t. Modbus we got a lot of input already
14:35:46 <dape> ... BACnet, quite recent, needs more time
14:36:31 <dape> TOPIC: Management
14:36:45 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Project Management Proposal:
14:37:01 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1954
14:37:53 <dape> EK: Last week we extended it in coordination call
14:38:09 <kaz> s/1954/1954 wot-thing-description PR 1954 - Extending the project management proposal/
14:38:19 <dape> ... issue coming from use case pipeline
14:38:34 <kaz> i|1954|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md|
14:38:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:38:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/18-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:38:45 <dape> ... TF working on planning the work
14:38:50 <dape> ... separation of concerns
14:39:09 <kaz> q+
14:39:11 <dape> EK: Any points or objections to merge this PR?
14:39:16 <kaz> ack c
14:39:17 <cris_> ack c
14:39:33 <dape> Kaz: Any update like this is fine.
14:40:07 <dape> ... we should think about which part is managed by use-case and Mizushima-San
14:40:20 <dape> EK: Good point. Should be in line
14:40:48 <dape> ... we might want to align the "naming"
14:41:10 <dape> ... "gap analysis" is missing in my document
14:41:48 <dape> ... I will link Process.md from wot-usecases
14:42:20 <dape> EK: Can I merge 1954 ?
14:42:20 <cris_> +1
14:42:31 <dape> ... no objections -> merging
14:42:43 <dape> TOPIC: TD
14:42:54 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Data Mapping
14:43:02 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1165
14:43:14 <dape> EK: Luca extended the PR
14:44:14 <dape> ... I added related issues and added them to the PR
14:44:31 <dape> ... others can do the same.. also from other task forces
14:45:02 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Formatting before starting work
14:45:09 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1926
14:45:19 <dape> EK: Consistent way of working
14:45:55 <dape> ... looked how prettier and editorconfig work together
14:46:09 <dape> ...  unfortunately we need to use both
14:46:29 <dape> ... should keep them consistent
14:46:44 <kaz> s/1165/1165 wot PR 1165 - Initial expansion of the DataMapping work item/
14:47:24 <dape> EK: I don't think we should format output files which are generated
14:47:29 <kaz> s/1926/1926 wot-thing-description Issue 1926 - Aligning formatting across files/
14:47:30 <kaz> q+
14:48:43 <dape> EK: picked option  "space" and "2 spaces" for indentation
14:49:08 <kaz> ack k
14:49:22 <dape> EK: In the end I can format all files in one go
14:49:34 <dape> ... leads to a HUGE diff
14:50:23 <dape> ... e.g. removing trailing whitespaces
14:50:31 <cris_> q+
14:50:45 <dape> ... any concern or preferences on settings used
14:51:05 <dape> CA: Style is okay.. no strong preference
14:52:03 <dape> ... don't get some changes.. like line breaks
14:52:15 <dape> DP: I think there is a 80 character limit
14:52:51 <dape> EK: "printWidth" might be the option
14:53:04 <dape> ... default like 80
14:53:08 <dape> CA: Should go with 120
14:54:41 <dape> EK: BTW I excluded "publication" folder
14:55:13 <dape> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:55:46 <kaz> q+
14:55:51 <Ege> ack c
14:55:52 <dape> EK: Any other business?
14:55:52 <cris_> ack c
14:56:33 <dape> [adjourned]
14:56:37 <kaz> ack k
14:56:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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