13:03:34 RRSAgent has joined #wot 13:03:38 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-irc 13:04:21 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:05:29 brb 13:06:00 back 13:06:56 scribenick: luca_barbato 13:07:13 cris__ has joined #wot 13:07:41 topic: Minutes 13:07:52 present+ Daniel_Peintner, Tetsushi_Matsuda 13:07:54 mm: We already reviewed them, let's quick scan them 13:08:14 mjk has joined #wot 13:08:21 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_January_2024 13:08:35 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:08:37 i|We alrea|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/01/10-wot-minutes.html Jan-10| 13:08:37 mm: Any corrections? 13:08:40 13:08:43 rrsagent, make log public 13:08:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:08:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:08:58 q+ 13:09:02 topic: IIWoT Workshop 13:09:11 q+ 13:09:20 mm: Cris can you provide a overview? 13:09:46 cris: I did not participate, but my colleague did. I'll have a full summary by next week. 13:10:01 ack c 13:10:32 ack k 13:10:56 kaz: Please think of what we can get from this kind of events: Use Cases, Other kind of feedback ... 13:11:18 cris: There were 3 papers about WoT we can use 13:11:31 topic: Quick Updates 13:12:08 q+ 13:12:11 mm: I started to cleanup the pages, any objections to continue? 13:12:38 ege: From the CG there is a WoT tutorial, and it is a review period for it 13:12:43 q- 13:12:55 topic: Meeting Schedule Changes 13:13:14 q+ 13:14:07 q+ 13:14:49 mm: If any meeting in week 12-16 Feb is not canceled please state it. 13:15:08 ege: No plan to cancel Marketing and TD 13:15:10 dape has joined #wot 13:15:32 ack e 13:16:13 mm: UC call the 14th is canceled? 13:16:37 miz: Yes 13:16:39 q? 13:16:43 mm: The main call is also canceled 13:17:33 ack k 13:17:55 kaz: We should have the TF leaders update the cancelation list monthly 13:18:06 mm: I agree 13:18:18 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 13:18:29 chair: McCool, Koster, Sebastian 13:18:38 topic: Schedule 13:18:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:18:54 mm: The past years got archived 13:19:06 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 13:19:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:19:32 mm: We should add some milestones in the schedule 13:19:38 i|The past|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md| 13:19:40 q+ 13:20:07 ack k 13:20:11 kaz: We need to update the schedule based on the TF progress in the future, how to do that? 13:21:06 kaz: The current charter ends in October 2024 13:21:42 s/2024/2025/ 13:21:54 s/ends/started in October 2023 and/ 13:22:08 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter 13:22:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:22:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:24:06 q+ 13:24:34 https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/Process.md 13:25:13 matsuda has joined #wot 13:25:38 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/Process.md|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/Process.md proposed WoT WG spec generation process (discussed during the WoT Use Cases call) 13:26:03 mm: To move items from different TF, please open issues on the main wot repo 13:26:08 q+ 13:26:35 ack k 13:26:54 i|Process|topic: Use Case discussion restarted| 13:27:38 topic: WG Planning 13:28:08 subtopic: Policies 13:28:30 mm: We should have a extended call next week after the main call to discuss all the policies 13:28:57 mm: Jan 24th 13:29:21 mm: Also we should cover Task Leaders changes 13:29:26 q+ 13:29:33 q+ 13:29:36 s/Task/Task Force/ 13:29:54 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1954 13:30:51 ack e 13:31:01 ege: We have the current issues, but we can split it in multiple issues 13:31:07 q? 13:31:37 mm: If we create a policy we can discuss it next week 13:31:39 q+ 13:32:26 kaz: We had discussion about project management in the UC call 13:33:10 mm: Sebastian do you have updates regarding the plugfest? 13:33:12 q- 13:33:21 seb: No, next week I'll have information 13:33:25 ack k 13:33:51 topic: Resources 13:34:03 s/UC call/UC call. There are several levels of project management. We should clarify policy, procedure and definition around project management next week./ 13:34:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:34:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:34:44 q+ 13:34:49 mm: In Discovery we made progress in rendering html, but we found bugs that require updating the ttl files 13:35:09 i/Also we should/subtopic: TF leads/ 13:35:13 mm: It is possibly also a policy task, to uniform our behaviour 13:35:26 i/1954/subtopic: Project management/ 13:35:40 i/Sebastian/subtopic: F2F/ 13:35:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:35:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:35:56 q+ 13:36:00 q? 13:36:07 mm: Do we have proposals on how to manage versioning and managing resource updates 13:36:25 ack e 13:36:52 https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1166 13:37:02 ege: I linked in the TD proposal in the issue 13:37:21 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1166|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1166 wot Issue 1166 - [Policy Proposal] Versioning Resources| 13:37:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:37:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:37:41 q? 13:38:00 mm: We can add to the policy meeting next week 13:39:16 ege: I can prepare a draft proposal, please have a look at the td versioning document and provide feedback first 13:39:30 ack k 13:39:46 q+ 13:40:58 kaz: suggest we have joint discussion between Discovery and TD during the next TD call on Thursday, Jan 25 13:41:04 ack k 13:42:07 q+ 13:42:10 topic: Meetups 13:42:46 ege: There is a meetup open for all about Digital Twins 13:42:56 ege: There is a tutorial being worked on in the CG 13:43:06 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-of-things/2023Dec/0009.html 13:43:26 ege: it is currently in review, everybody should already received an email, you may provide feedback 13:44:08 q+ 13:44:21 ack e 13:44:32 ack e 13:45:10 ack k 13:45:30 kaz: The CG is a different group from WG and IG, please consider what input can be provided to the WG and IG from CG. 13:45:39 i/There is a me/subtopic: WoT CG/ 13:45:49 s/The CG/Technically, the CG/ 13:46:03 q? 13:46:28 subtopic: WoT JP CG 13:46:35 https://wot-jp-cg.connpass.com/event/307891/ 13:46:45 kaz: We have a compass page ready, it is japanese-only right now though 13:47:15 q+ 13:47:17 ack k 13:47:25 kaz: Are planning a security-related seminar in March 13:47:58 s|https://wot-jp-cg.connpass.com/event/307891/|-> https://wot-jp-cg.connpass.com/event/307891/ Web-based Smart Cities Tutorial| 13:48:09 topic: Liasons 13:48:28 s/Liasons/Liaisons/ 13:48:58 q+ 13:49:24 ack k 13:49:52 mm: Our Liaisons page needs to be completed/reorganised 13:50:04 topic: Action Items 13:50:18 s/reorganized/reorganized. Also W3C collaboration page to be updated./ 13:50:36 mm: We should archive all the done items 13:50:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:51:09 q+ 13:52:05 topic: Mastodon 13:52:35 ege: We almost got as many followers as in Twitter, we still plan to keep Twitter for now 13:53:01 ack e 13:53:09 q+ 13:53:14 q+ 13:54:19 ack cr 13:54:44 ack k 13:54:55 topic: UC Task Force 13:55:24 miz: We discussed the process to produce the Use Case documents, next week we will have the UC call 13:55:41 s/topic: Mastodon/topic: Marketing Task Force around Mastodon/ 13:56:00 q? 13:56:01 q+ 13:56:12 ack k 13:56:24 [ break for 10 mins ] 13:56:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:56:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:58:16 regrets+ David 14:06:41 q+ 14:06:47 topic: IG Charter Discussion 14:06:53 ack k 14:07:08 scribenick: sebastian 14:07:31 q+ 14:07:39 MK: try to complete the charter discussion today 14:07:49 ... there are some PRs from Sebastian 14:07:51 https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md is still marked as draft 14:08:03 ... any other topics? 14:08:15 McCool has joined #wot 14:08:25 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md is still marked as draft|| 14:08:25 EK: there is a relationship document. still marked as draft. 14:08:26 https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md is still marked as draft 14:08:46 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md is still marked as draft|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md relationship document| 14:08:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:08:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:09:31 ... we need discussion if we agree on this document 14:09:35 i/suggest we have/scribenick: kaz/ 14:09:47 14:09:52 i/There is a meetup/scribenick: luca_barbato/ 14:09:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:10:24 i|try to comp|subtopic: Agenda| 14:10:25 q+ 14:10:27 ack e 14:10:38 subtopic: PRs 14:11:14 s/subtopic: PRs/subtopic: IG Charter Overview 14:11:51 ack k 14:11:56 14:12:23 https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 14:12:48 s|https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/440 Strategy Issue 440 - [ig/wot] Web of Things Interest Group rechartering| 14:12:50 Kaz: there is no comment so far 14:13:17 s/so far/so far from the Nordic CG, so we can think about them later 14:13:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:13:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:13:44 subtopic: Relationship draft 14:13:59 i/there is/mm: what about the Nordic CG as part of the communities for outreach?/ 14:14:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:14:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:14:08 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/relationship.md 14:14:21 EK: there is no update on the document 14:14:24 i/what about/scribenick: kaz/ 14:14:37 i/there is no/scribenick: sebastian/ 14:14:53 MK: is it already aligned? 14:15:03 q+ 14:15:39 i|there is no|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/Process.md Process.md proposed by Mizushima| 14:16:03 s/relationship.md/relationship.md proposed by Ege/ 14:16:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:16:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:16:25 q+ 14:16:44 MK: we can't go through all, I think is a good overview of the relation 14:17:00 ... are there any concerns? 14:17:31 s/proposed by Ege/relationship.md proposed by Ege/ 14:17:49 Kaz: its already merged as draft. We can update and fix it later 14:18:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:18:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:18:38 q? 14:18:38 ack k 14:18:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:18:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:18:44 Here is the issue I have posted about the alignment: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/260 14:19:08 MT: I think, there should be a different document. 14:19:28 ... we should discuss the issues 14:19:42 q+ 14:19:44 q? 14:19:45 s/its already/it's already/ 14:19:47 ack mi 14:19:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:19:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:20:01 ack Mizushima 14:20:22 MK: agree, we should have more discussion before we go to merge this 14:21:03 q+ 14:22:08 MK: we should align this with Use Case discussion next week 14:22:18 ack k 14:22:24 q+ 14:22:39 ack e 14:22:57 Kaz: next week we will have not a IG meeting, next opertunity would be begin of February 14:23:01 ack k 14:23:26 q+ 14:24:24 ack k 14:24:41 Kaz: today we should check the remaining PRs, let's come back to the relationship document discussion in 2 weeks then 14:24:48 s/begin of February/Jan 31/ 14:24:59 subtopic: PRs 14:25:00 s/PRs/Issues and PRs/ 14:25:33 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/141 14:25:43 14:25:59 s/in 2 weeks then/if some of the PRs require. If the discussion get too big, we can continue that in 2 weeks./ 14:26:30 MK: explains also the relationship of the Marketing TF to the CGs 14:26:47 q+ 14:26:55 ... any objections on this PR? 14:27:11 no 14:27:22 q? 14:27:48 ack dape 14:28:03 DP: we need to fix a grammar issue 14:28:22 q? 14:28:38 14:29:07 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/138 14:29:32 14:29:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:29:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:30:01 SK: list is just in sync with the WG charter 14:31:18 MK: maybe we should more clear about external binding specification 14:31:44 s/should/should be 14:33:30 q+ 14:33:51 SK: we can update the OPC UA entry 14:34:32 14:34:39 ack k 14:35:21 MK: to create a bininding, there is no special relationship needed 14:35:41 MK: any objection to merge this PR? 14:35:43 no 14:35:49 14:36:10 i/Updates W/scribenick: kaz/ 14:36:19 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/137 14:36:25 i/list is just/scribenick: sebastian/ 14:36:37 14:36:45 i/Upd/scribenick: kaz/ 14:36:54 scribenick: sebastian 14:37:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:37:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:38:18 SK: PR explains the process of PlugFest and Testing. It makes this more clear what is the difference. 14:38:52 q+ 14:39:01 MK: There is a comment from MM. 14:39:14 q+ 14:40:11 MM: yes, suggest to change the last edited sentance in the PR. 14:40:19 14:42:07 Kaz: We should mention that Testing is for Candiate Rec or Propsed Rec 14:42:31 ... we should als name this as "feature testing" only 14:42:51 14:43:02 q? 14:43:05 ack k 14:43:09 s/als/also 14:43:25 s/als name this as/also call this/ 14:43:37 EK: testing doies not conlfinct with diagram 14:43:48 s/doies/does 14:43:54 s/only/only. Then "Recommendation documents" should read "Recommendation Track documents/ 14:44:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:44:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:44:11 s/conlfinct/conflict 14:45:32 q? 14:45:35 14:45:37 ack e 14:45:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:45:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:46:31 s/also name this as/also call this/ 14:46:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:46:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:47:12 MK: any other comments? objections? 14:47:12 14:47:27 MK: I think , we have a version of the charter that can be reviewed 14:47:46 ... mybe we need to update the summary box 14:48:06 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-ig-2023-draft.html Draft WoT IG Charter 14:48:44 s/summary/scope summary 14:49:04 MK: lets check the remaining issues if can be closed 14:49:06 s/Issue and PRs/PRs/ 14:49:15 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/135 14:49:17 i/let/subtopic: Issues/ 14:49:21 s/lets/let's/ 14:49:22 q+ 14:49:37 MK: was addressed by the PRs; going to close 14:49:54 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/128 14:50:01 MK: Will be done when all other changes are in 14:50:12 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/125 14:50:26 MK: is addressed; going to close 14:50:38 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/124 14:50:47 MM: issue can be closed 14:51:05 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/123 14:51:21 MK: can be closed; any objection? 14:51:22 no 14:51:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/122 14:51:57 MK: needs to be addressed 14:52:07 i/125/kaz: should add a label like "after the draft Charter fixed" to identify this. (and done)/ 14:52:16 i/after the/scribenick: kaz/ 14:52:24 i/125/scribenick: sebastian/ 14:52:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:52:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:52:34 q? 14:52:34 ack k 14:52:34 ... I will take of it 14:52:44 s/take/take care 14:52:58 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/121 14:53:21 s/Issues and PRs/PRs/ 14:53:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:53:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:53:35 MK: I will also check this 14:54:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:54:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:54:14 q+ 14:54:29 MK: Last remaining issues is not a big deal. When can handle this in the next main call. 14:54:37 s/MK/MM 14:54:51 MK: good point 14:55:32 MM: we can then do a call for resolution in the next main all 14:55:36 q? 14:56:14 ack k 14:56:21 s/main all/main call/ 14:56:22 Kaz: we still have the relationship document discussion. 14:57:30 MK: thats right. we can try to discuss this within 15min next week, otherwise we will continue discussion on January 31 14:57:44 s/we still have the relationship document discussion./We can have high-level discussion quickly during the main call next week. On the other hand, if the discussion need detailed analysis, e.g., going back to the relationship.md, that should be done in 2 weeks./ 14:57:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:57:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:58:24 s/thats/that's/ 14:58:24 luca_barbato has left #wot 14:58:24 [adjourned] 14:58:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:58:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/17-wot-minutes.html kaz 15:08:55 Ege has joined #wot 17:02:42 Zakim has left #wot 20:27:10 TallTed has joined #wot